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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:02 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:The solution is to use the available technology to eliminate the need to pay someone to stick their hand out, grasp bills and coins, and make change.
"pay someone to stick their hand out, grasp bills and coins, and make no changes" would be a politician, then... :ask:
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:05 pm

Toll roads are a stupid idea, very high overhead to raise money. If roads are important, State taxes should pay for them.
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Post by MrJonno » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:15 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Toll roads are a stupid idea, very high overhead to raise money. If roads are important, State taxes should pay for them.

Isn't that a bit communist?
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:25 pm

MrJonno wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Toll roads are a stupid idea, very high overhead to raise money. If roads are important, State taxes should pay for them.

Isn't that a bit communist?
I don't think so.
When you consider taxes, collection overhead is important as that effects the real revenue raised. Toll collection is probably the least efficient tax collection model.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:42 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:The solution is to use the available technology to eliminate the need to pay someone to stick their hand out, grasp bills and coins, and make change.
"pay someone to stick their hand out, grasp bills and coins, and make no changes" would be a politician, then... :ask:
Their job is even easier. They stick their hand out, grasp bills and coins, and then they just keep the change (obviating the mental energy needed to calculate the amount of change due).

I've been advocating a 50% pay cut for the President and every Congressman for years now. That, and they should fucking damn well pay for their own fucking god damn haircuts and healthcare! Suck it, monkeys! :lay:

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Post by MrJonno » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:08 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
MrJonno wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Toll roads are a stupid idea, very high overhead to raise money. If roads are important, State taxes should pay for them.

Isn't that a bit communist?
I don't think so.
When you consider taxes, collection overhead is important as that effects the real revenue raised. Toll collection is probably the least efficient tax collection model.
It very effectively collects it from people who use the service, while I do support public services even if individuals don't use it is you are into libertarianism toll roads are a good example of that ideology in practice but is fact used by many countries as a way to fund new roads
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:11 pm

MrJonno wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:
MrJonno wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Toll roads are a stupid idea, very high overhead to raise money. If roads are important, State taxes should pay for them.

Isn't that a bit communist?
I don't think so.
When you consider taxes, collection overhead is important as that effects the real revenue raised. Toll collection is probably the least efficient tax collection model.
It very effectively collects it from people who use the service, while I do support public services even if individuals don't use it is you are into libertarianism toll roads are a good example of that ideology in practice but is fact used by many countries as a way to fund new roads
Inevitably, it turns into a boondoggle, where the cost of maintaining the tollbooths and paying the workers manning (personing?) them rises to meet the amount of the tolls, and tax money inevitably has to be used to maintain the actual roadways anyway. We may as well stop pretending that isn't the case, and avoid the pretense from the beginning.

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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:49 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Bella Fortuna wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:The solution is to use the available technology to eliminate the need to pay someone to stick their hand out, grasp bills and coins, and make change.
"pay someone to stick their hand out, grasp bills and coins, and make no changes" would be a politician, then... :ask:
Their job is even easier. They stick their hand out, grasp bills and coins, and then they just keep the change (obviating the mental energy needed to calculate the amount of change due).

I've been advocating a 50% pay cut for the President and every Congressman for years now. That, and they should fucking damn well pay for their own fucking god damn haircuts and healthcare! Suck it, monkeys! :lay:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:52 pm

There is no dark side.

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:57 pm

The irony of a self-described racist enjoying being on the dark side... :lol:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:06 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:The irony of a self-described racist enjoying being on the dark side... :lol:
It's kind of like how the most vocal anti-gay guys always wind up on their knees in a men's room....

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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:11 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:The irony of a self-described racist enjoying being on the dark side... :lol:
Honestly, I'd prefer that racism was inherently wrong. The World would be much simpler that way.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:15 pm

Nothing is "inherently" wrong. Wrong is a concept that only exists in the human mind.

Nothing is either good or bad, but that thinking makes it so. - Hamlet, Prince of Denmark.

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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:20 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Nothing is "inherently" wrong. Wrong is a concept that only exists in the human mind.

Nothing is either good or bad, but that thinking makes it so. - Hamlet, Prince of Denmark.
Evil exists also in the mind of humans.
Is slavery morally wrong? I think so.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:24 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:Nothing is "inherently" wrong. Wrong is a concept that only exists in the human mind.

Nothing is either good or bad, but that thinking makes it so. - Hamlet, Prince of Denmark.
Evil exists also in the mind of humans.
Is slavery morally wrong? I think so.
It is to most people today. To some people it is morally right.

For most of human history it was morally right to most people. A lot of slaves didn't like it, of course. But, ask a Roman citizen in the year 100 whether slavery was morally wrong, and he'd look at you like you were crazy for even asking the question.

Moral rightness and wrongness is purely a matter of opinion. If humans did not exist to think about things, nothing would be "right" or "wrong." That's why we don't attribute moral wrongness to when a Tiger rips the throat out of a gazelle. It is. Whether it is right or wrong is a human invention.

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