Gadaffi on his rag week

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Re: Gadaffi on his rag week

Post by Robert_S » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:35 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Gadaffi given different circumstances would probably be a world famous fashion designer living a life of luxury in Milan or Paris.

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We all know he got all that from rummaging around in the late Micheal Jackson's trash bins.

Micheal dies and almost exactly two years later, Quaidaphy is about to be deposed. Coincidence? I think not!
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Post by DRSB » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:10 am

Did he or didn't he leave?
The Libyan rebels reignite their uprising in the capital Tripoli announcing the takeover of various sections of the city in Souq Al-Jumaa and Tajoura while Muammar Gaddafi condemned them as traitors.

Gaddafi was speaking on state TV via phone not appearing in person as he has been doing during the last five months.

During the speech, Gaddafi said he was in Tripoli citing more than once the exact time as he spoke saying that his speech was live and not recorded.

Gaddafi said he would continue to fight and called his supporters to fight back the rebels in millions instead of small groups.
in Tripoli Post: http://www.tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=1&i=6705

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Post by Rum » Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:43 am

He would appear to be on his way out. There's some fighting in Tripoli it seems - probably internal rather than the rebels from outside. A matter of time..

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Re: Gadaffi on his rag week

Post by JimC » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:23 am

Robert_S wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Robert_S wrote:At least he hasn't imposed Sharia. That's like saying "At least I'm not as trashy as those people on Jerry Springer" though.
Given Sharia law is viewed as a real alternative in that region, perhaps this helps explain Qadafi's popularity.
And Saddam's
The alternatives always come out as brutal Islamic fundamentalism, or brutal dictatorships...

Is fucked, either way...
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Re: Gadaffi on his rag week

Post by Robert_S » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:33 am

JimC wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Robert_S wrote:At least he hasn't imposed Sharia. That's like saying "At least I'm not as trashy as those people on Jerry Springer" though.
Given Sharia law is viewed as a real alternative in that region, perhaps this helps explain Qadafi's popularity.
And Saddam's
The alternatives always come out as brutal Islamic fundamentalism, or brutal dictatorships...

Is fucked, either way...
Mayhaps it can change. My gut tells me that all this fighting is not a flowering, but a pulling out of some of the more noxious weeds. The US and UK moved towards the liberal (socially) and democratic standards we have today over generations.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Gadaffi on his rag week

Post by JimC » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:40 am

Robert_S wrote:
JimC wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Robert_S wrote:At least he hasn't imposed Sharia. That's like saying "At least I'm not as trashy as those people on Jerry Springer" though.
Given Sharia law is viewed as a real alternative in that region, perhaps this helps explain Qadafi's popularity.
And Saddam's
The alternatives always come out as brutal Islamic fundamentalism, or brutal dictatorships...

Is fucked, either way...
Mayhaps it can change. My gut tells me that all this fighting is not a flowering, but a pulling out of some of the more noxious weeds. The US and UK moved towards the liberal (socially) and democratic standards we have today over generations.
One can hope...

But has the world got those generations to spare?
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Post by Rum » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:34 pm

More significant I think is Syria. Iran supports it. Turkey supports the rebels. Turkey vs Iran is not good!

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Post by DRSB » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:31 pm

From Tripoli Post: http://www.tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=1&i=6707
Thousands of Libyans in the eastern city stronghold of the rebels in Benghazi, celebrate the recent gains at Freedom Square, sensing that the end for the regime is close

With operation “Dawn of the Sea Pride”, the freeing of Tripoli and therefore the whole of Libya from the Al Qathafi regime ongoing and on the way to succeeding, the beleaguered Libyan leader, pressed as he is from all sides, has urged his supporters, half-heartedly, many believe, to "march by the millions" and to quash the six months-long uprising that has turned full circle in favour of the rebels.

Strong explosions rocked Tripoli amid fighting between rebels and regime supporters early Sunday morning, with blasts from NATO air strikes heard in the heart of the Libyan capital as early as 4.00 a.m. (CET). Warplanes flew overhead, targeting once again Al Qathafi's residential compound at Ban Al-Azziziyah and other, at the time, identifiable sites.

There was sustained gunfire in the city and clashes in several quarters have been reported between insurgents and Al Qathafi forces, among them some of his supporters whom he armed to try and help him to hold on to power, which he has done for almost 42 years.

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Re: Gadaffi on his rag week

Post by Tero » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:24 am

I'm going upstairs to make sandwiches. I hope I don't miss the hanging. Hold that party!

What, he's still there? I'm not staying up all night for Gaddaffy-Duck getting hanged.

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Post by DRSB » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:21 am

I stayed up! Tripoli is in the hands of the rebels, as are coupla of Gadaffi's sons. :cheer:

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Re: Gadaffi on his rag week

Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:26 am

Deersbee wrote:I stayed up! Tripoli is in the hands of the rebels, as are coupla of Gadaffi's sons. :cheer:
The rebels didn't achieve this alone, there are 150 tribes in Libya making internal cohesive action somewhat unlikely. There must be 'boots on the ground, death squads taking out key personal and spreading chaos + fear in the organised manner only a outside non-tribal military force could IMO. To achieve this victory from the prior stalemate situation? I'm thinking you'll be seeing a few thousand brown people buried at sea in the night at least? :smoke:
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Post by DRSB » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:14 am

Crumple wrote:
Deersbee wrote:I stayed up! Tripoli is in the hands of the rebels, as are coupla of Gadaffi's sons. :cheer:
The rebels didn't achieve this alone, there are 150 tribes in Libya making internal cohesive action somewhat unlikely. There must be 'boots on the ground, death squads taking out key personal and spreading chaos + fear in the organised manner only a outside non-tribal military force could IMO. To achieve this victory from the prior stalemate situation? I'm thinking you'll be seeing a few thousand brown people buried at sea in the night at least? :smoke:
If it happens as quickly as it is happening, chances are that we can be optimistic, that it can go without big backlash/revenge actions. It will be a complicated transitons but lots can be negotiated.

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Re: Gadaffi on his rag week

Post by JimC » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:36 am

Rum wrote:More significant I think is Syria. Iran supports it. Turkey supports the rebels. Turkey vs Iran is not good!
Only if Iran wins...
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Re: Gadaffi on his rag week

Post by redunderthebed » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:10 pm

JimC wrote:
Rum wrote:More significant I think is Syria. Iran supports it. Turkey supports the rebels. Turkey vs Iran is not good!
Only if Iran wins...
Yes tell that to anyone who is a trade unionist or a kurd or a communist*. :bored:






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Re: Gadaffi on his rag week

Post by DRSB » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:11 pm

Send the hurricane Irene that way to sort it all out.

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