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Post by Tyrannical » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:35 am

Rioters should be shot dead on sight.
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Post by redunderthebed » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:42 am

Crumple wrote:Ethnic communities are racialist by nature and the answer is to disperse these ghettoes of poverty and desperation. Unfortutnately the new housing policy will lead to ever more ghettoisation as the poorest(the undsireable ones in the labor market (learning disabled, old, sick or colored) seek the lowest possible rent for housing in each town & city(rather than what is appropriate). :coffee:
As long as there is a class system there will be ghettos.........middle class and rich people as much as they will say until they are blue in the face do not want to live next door to people that are poor people.

Hell ask any real estate agent nice area=no poor people. :coffee:
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:48 am

redunderthebed wrote:
Crumple wrote:Ethnic communities are racialist by nature and the answer is to disperse these ghettoes of poverty and desperation. Unfortutnately the new housing policy will lead to ever more ghettoisation as the poorest(the undsireable ones in the labor market (learning disabled, old, sick or colored) seek the lowest possible rent for housing in each town & city(rather than what is appropriate). :coffee:
As long as there is a class system there will be ghettos.........middle class and rich people as much as they will say until they are blue in the face do not want to live next door to people that are poor people.

Hell ask any real estate agent nice area=no poor people. :coffee:
The answer is to smash the logjams(using tax and benefits along with housing policy) keeping the poor, too poor and the rich, too rich. Bringing incomes closer together, as mentioned in 'The Spirit Level' will improve health as well as social well being.

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Re: Tottenham Riots

Post by Tyrannical » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:56 am

redunderthebed wrote:
Crumple wrote:Ethnic communities are racialist by nature and the answer is to disperse these ghettoes of poverty and desperation. Unfortutnately the new housing policy will lead to ever more ghettoisation as the poorest(the undsireable ones in the labor market (learning disabled, old, sick or colored) seek the lowest possible rent for housing in each town & city(rather than what is appropriate). :coffee:
As long as there is a class system there will be ghettos.........middle class and rich people as much as they will say until they are blue in the face do not want to live next door to people that are poor people.

Hell ask any real estate agent nice area=no poor people. :coffee:
As long as we tolerate laziness and poor life style choices there will be ghettos. Poor people in Western nations are mostly poor because they are some combination of lazy or stupid. Dropping out of school, abusing drugs, early child bearing, criminal activity, poor work ethic; all voluntary poor life style choices that cause self-inflicted poverty.
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Post by redunderthebed » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:13 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
redunderthebed wrote:
Crumple wrote:Ethnic communities are racialist by nature and the answer is to disperse these ghettoes of poverty and desperation. Unfortutnately the new housing policy will lead to ever more ghettoisation as the poorest(the undsireable ones in the labor market (learning disabled, old, sick or colored) seek the lowest possible rent for housing in each town & city(rather than what is appropriate). :coffee:
As long as there is a class system there will be ghettos.........middle class and rich people as much as they will say until they are blue in the face do not want to live next door to people that are poor people.

Hell ask any real estate agent nice area=no poor people. :coffee:
As long as we tolerate laziness and poor life style choices there will be ghettos. Poor people in Western nations are mostly poor because they are some combination of lazy or stupid. Dropping out of school, abusing drugs, early child bearing, criminal activity, poor work ethic; all voluntary poor life style choices that cause self-inflicted poverty.
Thats assuming that everyone has the same opportunities in life which is clearly not the case.
Trolldor wrote:Ahh cardinal Pell. He's like a monkey after a lobotomy and three lines of cocaine.
The Pope was today knocked down at the start of Christmas mass by a woman who hopped over the barriers. The woman was said to be, "Mentally unstable."

Which is probably why she went unnoticed among a crowd of Christians.
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Re: Tottenham Riots

Post by Tigger » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:23 pm

redunderthebed wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:
redunderthebed wrote:
Crumple wrote:Ethnic communities are racialist by nature and the answer is to disperse these ghettoes of poverty and desperation. Unfortutnately the new housing policy will lead to ever more ghettoisation as the poorest(the undsireable ones in the labor market (learning disabled, old, sick or colored) seek the lowest possible rent for housing in each town & city(rather than what is appropriate). :coffee:
As long as there is a class system there will be ghettos.........middle class and rich people as much as they will say until they are blue in the face do not want to live next door to people that are poor people.

Hell ask any real estate agent nice area=no poor people. :coffee:
As long as we tolerate laziness and poor life style choices there will be ghettos. Poor people in Western nations are mostly poor because they are some combination of lazy or stupid. Dropping out of school, abusing drugs, early child bearing, criminal activity, poor work ethic; all voluntary poor life style choices that cause self-inflicted poverty.
Thats assuming that everyone has the same opportunities in life which is clearly not the case.
Ah but you might be able to take the people out of the slums, but you can't always take the slums out of the people.
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Re: Tottenham Riots

Post by Tyrannical » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:23 pm

redunderthebed wrote:Thats assuming that everyone has the same opportunities in life which is clearly not the case.
Most everyone in the US/UK has the opportunity to NOT drop out of school, abuse drugs, have children early, commit criminal activity, have a poor work ethic etc.
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Post by redunderthebed » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:28 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
redunderthebed wrote:Thats assuming that everyone has the same opportunities in life which is clearly not the case.
Most everyone in the US/UK has the opportunity to NOT drop out of school, abuse drugs, have children early, commit criminal activity, have a poor work ethic etc.
work ethic isn't enough in the 21st century to make it past doing menial jobs but i do see your point. However its not as simple as that people who stay at school etc are often fighting against ingrained behaviours and a poor enviroment to do so and these behaviours can be learnt long before a child has to opportunity to get away the poor enviroment and the damage is done.

However much i disagree with what your saying i wish it was true and the world was that simple.
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The Pope was today knocked down at the start of Christmas mass by a woman who hopped over the barriers. The woman was said to be, "Mentally unstable."

Which is probably why she went unnoticed among a crowd of Christians.
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Post by Tyrannical » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:41 pm

Low skilled menial labor is only paid so low these days because of domestic competition from immigrants and importing manufactured goods from low wage nations push domestic wages lower. If you want workers to have a living wage, tighten the labor market.
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Tyrannical wrote:
redunderthebed wrote:Thats assuming that everyone has the same opportunities in life which is clearly not the case.
Most everyone in the US/UK has the opportunity to NOT drop out of school, abuse drugs, have children early, commit criminal activity, have a poor work ethic etc.

Considering some of the parental environment some people are born to they are pretty much destined for jail or a life time of unemployment from the second they are conceived. You only have to look at the difference between a 'middle-class' (or just well brought up) 5 year old and a kid from a sink estate.

These kids are basically brain damaged from lack of non-shouting interaction with their parent(s) long before they even enter school
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Tyrannical wrote:
redunderthebed wrote:Thats assuming that everyone has the same opportunities in life which is clearly not the case.
Most everyone in the US/UK has the opportunity to NOT drop out of school, abuse drugs, have children early, commit criminal activity, have a poor work ethic etc.
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Post by Tyrannical » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:49 pm

MrJonno wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:
redunderthebed wrote:Thats assuming that everyone has the same opportunities in life which is clearly not the case.
Most everyone in the US/UK has the opportunity to NOT drop out of school, abuse drugs, have children early, commit criminal activity, have a poor work ethic etc.

Considering some of the parental environment some people are born to they are pretty much destined for jail or a life time of unemployment from the second they are conceived. You only have to look at the difference between a 'middle-class' (or just well brought up) 5 year old and a kid from a sink estate.

These kids are basically brain damaged from lack of non-shouting interaction with their parent(s) long before they even enter school
They do say the apples does not fall far from the tree. Perhaps a little pruning is the solution.
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Post by NineBerry » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:56 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Rioters should be shot dead on sight.
Racists should be shot dead on sight.

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NineBerry wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Rioters should be shot dead on sight.
Racists should be shot dead on sight.
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