Hugo Chavez has prostate cancer

[redunderthebed]

Die a painful and lingering death, Chavez.

Death to Tyrants!

Fuck off you arsole, you are nothing more that a fucking scum bag. I agree with this quote however "Death to Tyrants", Like you and your slack jawed friends who play banjos on a bridge. Cunt.

Pensioner you might be a pommy bastard but i love you.

[Coito ergo sum]

Hope you get well soon Chavez

President Hugo Chávez's Address to the Venezuelan People

http://www.zcommunications.org/presiden ... ugo-chavez

Noam Chomsky denounces old friend Hugo Chávez for 'assault' on democracy
Renowned American intellectual accuses the Venezuelan leader of concentrating too much power in his own hands

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... -democracy

[sandinista]

Hope you get well soon Chavez

President Hugo Chávez's Address to the Venezuelan People

http://www.zcommunications.org/presiden ... ugo-chavez

Noam Chomsky denounces old friend Hugo Chávez for 'assault' on democracy
Renowned American intellectual accuses the Venezuelan leader of concentrating too much power in his own hands

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... -democracy

funny how all the people who disagree with almost everything Chomsky has ever said are now agreeing with him.

[Coito ergo sum]

He's just come around to what anyone with 1/2 a brain already knew.

I don't agree or disagree with someone based on who they are. I agree or disagree with them based on the quality of their ideas. You'd, apparently, disagree with the assertion "the sky is blue" if uttered by the wrong person....

[sandinista]

He's just come around to what anyone with 1/2 a brain already knew.

I don't agree or disagree with someone based on who they are. I agree or disagree with them based on the quality of their ideas. You'd, apparently, disagree with the assertion "the sky is blue" if uttered by the wrong person....

Quality of ideas. (read..."ideas" I agree with)

[Coito ergo sum]

He's just come around to what anyone with 1/2 a brain already knew.

I don't agree or disagree with someone based on who they are. I agree or disagree with them based on the quality of their ideas. You'd, apparently, disagree with the assertion "the sky is blue" if uttered by the wrong person....

Quality of ideas. (read..."ideas" I agree with)

I agree with ideas that make sense.

Do you agree with Chomsky on this one?

[sandinista]

You wouldn't know what made sense if it hit you in the face.

[Coito ergo sum]

Are you going to agree or disagree with Chomsky on this one? He's off base, is he? Wide of the mark? Wrong on Chavez here?

[sandinista]

Well, first of all, I wouldn't call what Chomsky said "denouncing". More of a personal criticism from his own ideological perspective. This interview is more detailed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... -venezuela

RC: And what would this case then tell us about the independence of the judiciary in Venezuela? Is there independence of judiciary here or does the executive control it?

NC: You would know better than I do. I can only cast suspicions. I haven't investigated it closely. My suspicion is that the judiciary is not as independent as it should be. We may compare it to Colombia next door. Colombia's human rights record is incomparably worse. The judges in the constitutional court have been investigating cases of corruption, crimes at the highest level, and they have been intimidated. They have received death threats, and they have to have bodyguards and so on. And apparently that's continuing under [President José Manuel] Santos.

RC: But in the case of Judge Afiuni what do you make of the intervention of the president calling for her to be jailed for 30 years – what should one conclude from that?

NC: It's obviously improper for the executive to intervene and impose a jail sentence without a trial. And I should say that the United States is in no position to complain about this. Bradley Manning has been imprisoned without charge, under torture, which is what solitary confinement is. The president in fact intervened. Obama was asked about his conditions and said that he was assured by the Pentagon that they were fine. That's executive intervention in a case of severe violation of civil liberties and it's hardly the only one. That doesn't change the judgment about Venezuela, it just says that what one hears in the United States one can dismiss.

RC: Finally professor, the concerns about the concentration of executive power in Venezuela: to what extent might that be undermining democracy in Venezuela?

NC: Concentration of executive power, unless it's very temporary and for specific circumstances, let's say fighting world war two, it's an assault on democracy.

RC: And so in the case of Venezuela is that what's happening or at risk of happening?

NC: As I said you can debate whether circumstances require it – both internal circumstances and the external threat of attack and so on, so that's a legitimate debate – but my own judgment in that debate is that it does not.

[Coito ergo sum]

Well, first of all, I wouldn't call what Chomsky said "denouncing".

I can't help the word choice of the Guardian. I quoted it. That's all.

But, Chomsky did apparently say that Chavez had no reason to be accumulating all the dictatorial powers he was claiming.

Do you agree with what Chomsky actually said, or not?

More of a personal criticism from his own ideological perspective. This interview is more detailed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... -venezuela

RC: And what would this case then tell us about the independence of the judiciary in Venezuela? Is there independence of judiciary here or does the executive control it?

NC: You would know better than I do. I can only cast suspicions. I haven't investigated it closely. My suspicion is that the judiciary is not as independent as it should be. We may compare it to Colombia next door. Colombia's human rights record is incomparably worse. The judges in the constitutional court have been investigating cases of corruption, crimes at the highest level, and they have been intimidated. They have received death threats, and they have to have bodyguards and so on. And apparently that's continuing under [President José Manuel] Santos.

RC: But in the case of Judge Afiuni what do you make of the intervention of the president calling for her to be jailed for 30 years – what should one conclude from that?

NC: It's obviously improper for the executive to intervene and impose a jail sentence without a trial. And I should say that the United States is in no position to complain about this. Bradley Manning has been imprisoned without charge, under torture, which is what solitary confinement is. The president in fact intervened. Obama was asked about his conditions and said that he was assured by the Pentagon that they were fine. That's executive intervention in a case of severe violation of civil liberties and it's hardly the only one. That doesn't change the judgment about Venezuela, it just says that what one hears in the United States one can dismiss.

Manning was not arrested without charge - http://cryptome.org/manning-charge.pdf So, to say he was "arrested without charge" is crap.

[sandinista]

Manning was not arrested without charge - http://cryptome.org/manning-charge.pdf So, to say he was "arrested without charge" is crap.

He was arrested without charge, his charges came months after the arrest.

[Seth]

Manning was not arrested without charge - http://cryptome.org/manning-charge.pdf So, to say he was "arrested without charge" is crap.

He was arrested without charge, his charges came months after the arrest.

Er, you're always arrested without charge. You're arrested based upon probable cause that you committed a crime based on the evidence in the possession of the police. The prosecutor then files charges, after you've been arrested. Then you get a preliminary hearing where you appear before a judge, who looks at the evidence the prosecutor has that you committed a crime at that point in the investigation, and then determines if the process goes forward and whether the evidence is strong enough to hold you without bail or whether bail will be allowed. That hearing must take place within roughly 72 hours of your arrest. Unless you waive your right to a speedy trial, prosecutors then have about six months or so to put the case together before trial begins.

The evidence against Manning was overwhelming, and he in fact admitted he did it to investigators. They had sufficient probable cause to hold him while they delved into the depths of his treason to build their case against him, and they added charges as they discovered new evidence. Nothing requires the prosecutor to present ALL the evidence upon arrest, all the police need is probable cause to believe ONE crime occurred to arrest and to go to the judge with at the preliminary hearing.

So, your allegation is, as was said, crap.

[Seth]

Hope you get well soon Chavez

President Hugo Chávez's Address to the Venezuelan People

http://www.zcommunications.org/presiden ... ugo-chavez

Noam Chomsky denounces old friend Hugo Chávez for 'assault' on democracy
Renowned American intellectual accuses the Venezuelan leader of concentrating too much power in his own hands

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... -democracy

funny how all the people who disagree with almost everything Chomsky has ever said are now agreeing with him.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and blind pigs can still find the occasional acorn. Nobody's disagreeing that Chomsky is a Marxist, and Chomsky's merely saying that Chavez is not a true Marxist, but rather he's just another tin-pot banana-republic dictator who, like every other supposed Marxist leader, uses Marxist propaganda as a tool to take and hold power as an "indispensable" person, just like Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Castro and every other Marxist dictator in history has done.

[Ian]

"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Chavez that all Venezuelans are equal. He would be only too happy to let them make their decisions for themselves. But sometimes they might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should they be?"

[Coito ergo sum]

LOL - nice use of an Animal Farm quote!