THIS is why we're intervening in Libya

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:31 pm

Aos Si wrote: no I am saying if you want a discussion with me and not someone else in your head, you need to talk to me. There is nothing personal in that, if you want to address my points fine. If you want to address someone elses points also fine but you don't need me here for that. I guess that's conversation over you are not interested in talking to me. Fine I have actually got better things to do for a change see ya later. I am assuming you are grown up so to give you the benefit of the doubt I have not just repeated what I said in a different way. That would be patronising.
I've addressed exactly what you've written.
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Descending into personal attacks? so what if I was it would be a non sequitur to suggest that a personal attack somehow made a persons points invalid even if I had done what you accuse me of, which I'm not entirely sure I have, its entirely apt to establish a persons reputation if he is liable to repeatedly straw man arguments it is not really an invalid tactic to point that out, in any discourse whether it be formal debate or a pub slanging match.
Personal attacks are against the rules, and they also evince a weakness in the attacker's arguments. I also am not inclined to get into such scrapes. I haven't argued any straw man arguments. I understand what you've said about joking about the French regarding things you think are historically inaccurate. I've addressed that specifically. Calling it a straw man doesn't make it one.
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If I called you a dick you might have a reason to feel aggrieved, I think, otherwise I don't see what you are bothered about; its either true that you tend to straw man or you don't.
I don't, and you may not know what a straw man is, I suspect. Moreover, that wasn't how you made it personal.
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So far in my experience that's pretty much the limit of what you do in any argument.
This, of course, is unnecessary and unproductive. I can say that in my experience the limit of what you do is make ridiculous statements. Like the argument here, where you claim that it is racist to make what you think are historically inaccurate jokes about the French.
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Let's not play the ad hom card just yet,
You've already gone that way, with some of your back-handed statements.
Aos Si wrote:
it's usually saved when your argument is going down in flames,
Like yours.
Aos Si wrote:
like the pointless grammar nazi card. Because when you have no argument left an enormous derail into the conjugate of them is just what any thread needs.
It would be easier if you'd adhere to basic grammatical principles, but I am able to glean your meaning despite the issues.
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I'm not playing any game read carefully what I said then what you answered, anyone with a half a brain can see you are not talking to me. You are waiting for a reply and then barely reading it and thus putting up repeated straw men.
Wrong. You're obviously shifting the goalposts from your original rant.

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Post by sandinista » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:43 pm

now now...off to sit in the corner for a while coito. :bored:
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Post by Seth » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:54 pm

sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:Soviet War Crimes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes
So, post ww2 wiki lists (which it should be noted at the top states: This article has multiple issues....not a good start) Hungarian Revolution (which involved some Soviet tank fire), Czechoslovakia (where, I guess 72 Czechs and Slovaks were killed) and Afghanistan. That's it. Not much of a comparison when we're talking millions murdered by the US. That's your retort? :roll:
Assertion. What "millions" were "murdered" by the US, exactly? Sources for this ex-recto assertion would be useful.

And I'll see your "millions" and raise you "100 million" genuinely and legitimately murdered by socialist regimes in the last 100 years.



Coito ergo sum wrote:Very simple: I said the US was lambasted for NOT intervening in certain other places - and you said "rightly so."

You think it's justified that the US lambasted for intervening, and for not intervening. As long as the US is lambasted, it's "rightly so."
Takes a lot to get through that noggin of yours doesn't it? The reasons the US is criticized for intervening are endless (do we really need to go through them?) the reason the are criticized for not intervening is the hypocrisy and lies. When the US "claims" it is intervening for humanitarian reasons or to prevent massacres or spread the creamy butter of freedom the obvious questions arise as to "why there and not here" etc. Obviously all those reasons are lies, propaganda. Which, of course, is the reason they choose one country to "help" over another.
It's only "obvious" to Marxist propagandists and America-haters. The answer to "why there and not here" is quite simple: The circumstances necessary to convince our Congress to intervene in a nation's internal political struggles is directly connected to our national interests and security and the security of the world in general. Not every third-world banana republic tin-pot genocidal dictator poses a threat to our strategic national interests or world political and economic stability, so we don't waste our troops and treasure trying to police every instance of despotic abuse that occurs anywhere on the planet. We have neither the time, the money nor the interest unless there is some more or less direct connection to our national interests. And yes, the presence of strategic minerals like oil are among those national interests that we are fully entitled to consider when deciding whether to intervene.

Unlike the Soviets, however, when we do intervene to protect our access to strategic resources, we don't just seize the resources and steal them, we promote democracy and help the people to set up a democratic government that we hope will be friendly to us, so that we can buy the resources from that nation.

That may suck for the people of Rwanda or Somalia, but the US is not the world's policeman...that role was assumed by the UN way back when. If you have complaints about the lack of intervention in some specific incidence of internal despotism and genocide, go bitch to the UN, for all the good it will do you. It's their job to be the world's policeman, and they are incredibly inept and inefficient at it, not to mention fatally and morally corrupt to the core. That's not our problem, and I'm sick of participating in such a morally bankrupt organization that couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag with a nuclear device.

Let the rest of the world fund and provide troops to the UN, America needs to get out of the UN and serve NOTHING but our national interests. What that means to the rest of the world is that if you want our investment and our protection, it behooves you to be our friends and obligate yourselves under treaties favorable to both. Otherwise, you're on your own the next time a despot comes around. And that applies PARTICULARLY to the UK and the rest of the EU. We've pulled your sorry asses from the fire for the last time, as far as I'm concerned.

We Americans have no duty to intervene anywhere, but we have a perfect right to intervene wherever it suits our national needs and interests to do so, using whatever military force our government thinks is necessary to secure our national security and strategic interests.

If you don't like that, well, fuck you. We've got the most powerful military on the planet, and we don't care what you like or don't like.
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Post by Aos Si » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:05 pm

I give up COE do you want to talk to me or not? If you do then address my points if not don't. I wont waste my time addressing blatant straw men. I just don't have the time, will or need to do it.

Look dude no ones argument is going down in flames, it's all good, you need to stop this silly game and just start answering peoples points. Win/lose it doesn't matter, this isn't a game. You think it is. Then go on playing that game. I am mature enough not to indulge people who think the interweb is about a score who just have to have some meaningless e reputation to feel whole. I have no idea how old you are but grow up please. I don't care if I'm wrong or right. I don't have a piece of chalk, but I've seen your type before. Discuss what people say or don't, you don't need me if you are just going to give me my opinion and run with it. Hell all you need is you.

I'm not interested in playing mindless ass games. You are, good for you. Sooner or later I'll just put you on ignore and you can go on vacillating wildly to the voices in your head to an audience that doesn't care and a tune no one can hear.

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Post by Seth » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:35 pm

Aos Si wrote:I give up COE do you want to talk to me or not? If you do then address my points if not don't.
He did, directly. I had to go back about five or six pages to actually find your point, which was a specious assertion that the US was engaged in some sort of colonialist/imperialist bombing campaign that was somehow unusual in this century. CES pointed out, quite properly, that such things are not in the least bit unusual, but indeed are rather commonplace worldwide, and that therefore your implication that the US is somehow "worse" than other nations because it engages in military actions in other nations is both false and specious.

You've been evading that rebuttal ever since, mostly by trying to use moral relativism as a prop and engaging in personal invective rather than addressing the facts which CES cited and provided links to.
I wont waste my time addressing blatant straw men. I just don't have the time, will or need to do it.
Promise? Does this mean that you're going to fuck off somewhere else now? :fist:
Look dude no ones argument is going down in flames,
True. However, your argument crashed and burned more than five pages ago and even the ashes are cold by now.
it's all good, you need to stop this silly game and just start answering peoples points.


Er, it's you that's doing the evading. If you have a point, other than the one on the top of your head, then why don't you make it with some semblance of clarity and reason, and we'll respond appropriately...again.
I'm not interested in playing mindless ass games.
Self-evidently this is a lie because that's all you've been doing...
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Re: THIS is why we're intervening in Libya

Post by Aos Si » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:03 am

Seth wrote:
Aos Si wrote:I give up COE do you want to talk to me or not? If you do then address my points if not don't.
He did, directly. I had to go back about five or six pages to actually find your point, which was a specious assertion that the US was engaged in some sort of colonialist/imperialist bombing campaign that was somehow unusual in this century. CES pointed out, quite properly, that such things are not in the least bit unusual, but indeed are rather commonplace worldwide, and that therefore your implication that the US is somehow "worse" than other nations because it engages in military actions in other nations is both false and specious.

You've been evading that rebuttal ever since, mostly by trying to use moral relativism as a prop and engaging in personal invective rather than addressing the facts which CES cited and provided links to.
I wont waste my time addressing blatant straw men. I just don't have the time, will or need to do it.
Promise? Does this mean that you're going to fuck off somewhere else now? :fist:
Look dude no ones argument is going down in flames,
True. However, your argument crashed and burned more than five pages ago and even the ashes are cold by now.
it's all good, you need to stop this silly game and just start answering peoples points.


Er, it's you that's doing the evading. If you have a point, other than the one on the top of your head, then why don't you make it with some semblance of clarity and reason, and we'll respond appropriately...again.
I'm not interested in playing mindless ass games.
Self-evidently this is a lie because that's all you've been doing...
I made a point this guy just ignored it and threw up straw men, I can't discuss shit with people who want to give me my argument and then just ignore everything I say. So yeah ask me question that bears any relation to what I said and I'll discuss it, carry on messing me about and I'll ignore you. Take it or leave it, I don't give a shit, not like anything hangs on this is it? Or is that it are you totting up some score on some imaginary chalk board? I'm sure your quite capable of talking vacuous and copious amounts of shit by yourself. You don't need an audience to give you imaginary pointers.

Why don't you stop posturing for once? Do you think it makes your case stronger to do that?"You argument crashed and burned 5 pages ago, wah, wah, wah make the bad man go away"? Stop crying Honestly. Just saying something does not make it true, no matter how many times you repeat it?

I only had one point, America lied, broke its word, that is conclusively shown by accurate history and the documents that are pertinent. Then happy go fuck up a thread alot came in and started throwing around accusations that I was excusing my nation, when I'd just said the exact opposite. This is just wankery and I don't need to be here for you people to make up my argument, go make up whatever fantasy you want and bundle it up with all the other cognitive dissonance it takes to believe in Bush Arch tard of all tards. At least religious apologetics has creationism, this isn't even funny.


Oh and who the fuck said they were invovled in an imperialist colonialist bombing campaign. I said I was in favour of going in on the basis of saving civilian lives and if it achieves a greater good which I was ambivalent on, believe it or not, or did you just conveniently miss that? FFS this is pointless. I said the US has acted that way in the 20th/21st century indulging in one pointless campaign after another, toppling democracies it didn't like, putting in dictators it though might gain it something, behaving like a twisted and belligerent child with a tin pot trying to force its will on everyone and failing miserably, while creating a shit storm of angry bees. 10/10 for effort 0/10 for results. There do you want to twist that to make the analogy to a colonialist power complete fucking straw again or what? I tell you what I'd rather Obama than that fucking idiot Bush or anyone like him, that guy was just shy of being mental with his delusional bs. And lets face it Obama could of come in riding a chariot from heaven itself and solved all the countries woes like some sort of miracle worker, and hard core right wingers would still find something to bitch about. What the hell did you expect?Jesus, some miracles? Everyone's fucked at the moment, the result of Reagans dim witted approach to economics (or Thatchers ass licking acceptance of the same etc for others) and some pretty stupid economic ideas over the last 20 years, get used to it.

You people are utterly full of shit and your arguments rely on making up crap that I'm supposed to have said but never did, and its boring me now. I'll say it again address what I actually said and I'll discuss it, just make up shit and posture at me - like I give a fuck who wins your little fuck fest anyway - and I wont. Up to you.
Self-evidently this is a lie because that's all you've been doing...
I don't mind being called a cunt a dick or whatever but a liar!

Reported.

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Post by Hermit » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:35 am

Seth wrote:Saddam's known and extensive support, both financially and physically for terrorism...
LOL. He gave the taliban no support whatsoever. If the US was actually concerned about terrorism, it would have invaded Pakistan instead. It could even be argued that in order to wage a war against terrorism, Saudi Arabia may have been a more suitable target than Hussein's dictatorship.

Isn't it ironic that the islamic terrorism not only gained a foothold in Iraq after the US invasion, but has been gaining strength there ever since? I fear the same thing may happen in Libya.
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Post by Thinking Aloud » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:51 am

Some of the posts in this thread are skirting very close to being personal attacks - please keep it cool, ladies and gentlemen! :mrgreen:

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Post by Seth » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:27 pm

Seraph wrote:
Seth wrote:Saddam's known and extensive support, both financially and physically for terrorism...
LOL. He gave the taliban no support whatsoever.
Who said anything about the Taliban? Not me. But it is well known and documented that Saddam set up literally thousands of bank accounts into which he placed money stolen from the Iraqi people. Access to those anonymous and pseudonymous accounts was given to terrorist groups, individuals and organizations supporting terror by Saddam himself. Further, his agents were in documented contact with Al Quaeda on several occasions leading up to the events of 9/11. His links to international terrorism were solidly investigated and documented by the CIA and numerous other foreign intelligence agencies, including the Israelies.
If the US was actually concerned about terrorism, it would have invaded Pakistan instead. It could even be argued that in order to wage a war against terrorism, Saudi Arabia may have been a more suitable target than Hussein's dictatorship.
Pakistan is a putatively friendly country, and it has nukes. Saudi Arabia is a treaty partner and ally. Iraq was not. Iraq invaded another treaty partner, Kuwait, and we went to war with them for that incursion. That war never stopped, it was just put on hold for 12 years while the UN tried as impotently as it does everything else to get Saddam to comply with its mandates. Eventually the US decided that it was time to reopen hostilities, since Saddam had violated the cease fire agreement on at least 14 occasions.

Besides, taking out Saddam scared the piss out of North Korea and brought them back to the bargaining table with regard to its nuke program, which was yet another geopolitical objective of Bush at the time.
Isn't it ironic that the islamic terrorism not only gained a foothold in Iraq after the US invasion, but has been gaining strength there ever since? I fear the same thing may happen in Libya.
It's not ironic, it's predictable. But leaving Saddam in power would not have slowed down the march of radical Islam or its desire to institute a global Caliphate. Keep in mind that Iran has designs on Iraq, and fought a bloody 8 year war with Iraq in which millions died on both sides, in part due to the use of WMD's.

Islamic radicalism will not be stopped by isolationism, unfortunately.
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Re: THIS is why we're intervening in Libya

Post by Seth » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:32 pm

Aos Si wrote:
Seth wrote:
Aos Si wrote:I give up COE do you want to talk to me or not? If you do then address my points if not don't.
He did, directly. I had to go back about five or six pages to actually find your point, which was a specious assertion that the US was engaged in some sort of colonialist/imperialist bombing campaign that was somehow unusual in this century. CES pointed out, quite properly, that such things are not in the least bit unusual, but indeed are rather commonplace worldwide, and that therefore your implication that the US is somehow "worse" than other nations because it engages in military actions in other nations is both false and specious.

You've been evading that rebuttal ever since, mostly by trying to use moral relativism as a prop and engaging in personal invective rather than addressing the facts which CES cited and provided links to.
I wont waste my time addressing blatant straw men. I just don't have the time, will or need to do it.
Promise? Does this mean that you're going to fuck off somewhere else now? :fist:
Look dude no ones argument is going down in flames,
True. However, your argument crashed and burned more than five pages ago and even the ashes are cold by now.
it's all good, you need to stop this silly game and just start answering peoples points.


Er, it's you that's doing the evading. If you have a point, other than the one on the top of your head, then why don't you make it with some semblance of clarity and reason, and we'll respond appropriately...again.
I'm not interested in playing mindless ass games.
Self-evidently this is a lie because that's all you've been doing...
I made a point this guy just ignored it and threw up straw men, I can't discuss shit with people who want to give me my argument and then just ignore everything I say. So yeah ask me question that bears any relation to what I said and I'll discuss it, carry on messing me about and I'll ignore you. Take it or leave it, I don't give a shit, not like anything hangs on this is it? Or is that it are you totting up some score on some imaginary chalk board? I'm sure your quite capable of talking vacuous and copious amounts of shit by yourself. You don't need an audience to give you imaginary pointers.

Why don't you stop posturing for once? Do you think it makes your case stronger to do that?"You argument crashed and burned 5 pages ago, wah, wah, wah make the bad man go away"? Stop crying Honestly. Just saying something does not make it true, no matter how many times you repeat it?
Wah indeed. :bored:
I only had one point, America lied, broke its word, that is conclusively shown by accurate history and the documents that are pertinent.
Nah, it's just you drinking the leftist Kool-Aid and believing the anti-American propaganda you've been spoon fed. The actual facts fully justify our actions.
Then happy go fuck up a thread alot came in and started throwing around accusations that I was excusing my nation, when I'd just said the exact opposite. This is just wankery and I don't need to be here for you people to make up my argument, go make up whatever fantasy you want and bundle it up with all the other cognitive dissonance it takes to believe in Bush Arch tard of all tards. At least religious apologetics has creationism, this isn't even funny.


Oh and who the fuck said they were invovled in an imperialist colonialist bombing campaign. I said I was in favour of going in on the basis of saving civilian lives and if it achieves a greater good which I was ambivalent on, believe it or not, or did you just conveniently miss that? FFS this is pointless. I said the US has acted that way in the 20th/21st century indulging in one pointless campaign after another, toppling democracies it didn't like, putting in dictators it though might gain it something, behaving like a twisted and belligerent child with a tin pot trying to force its will on everyone and failing miserably, while creating a shit storm of angry bees. 10/10 for effort 0/10 for results. There do you want to twist that to make the analogy to a colonialist power complete fucking straw again or what? I tell you what I'd rather Obama than that fucking idiot Bush or anyone like him, that guy was just shy of being mental with his delusional bs. And lets face it Obama could of come in riding a chariot from heaven itself and solved all the countries woes like some sort of miracle worker, and hard core right wingers would still find something to bitch about. What the hell did you expect?Jesus, some miracles? Everyone's fucked at the moment, the result of Reagans dim witted approach to economics (or Thatchers ass licking acceptance of the same etc for others) and some pretty stupid economic ideas over the last 20 years, get used to it.

You people are utterly full of shit and your arguments rely on making up crap that I'm supposed to have said but never did, and its boring me now. I'll say it again address what I actually said and I'll discuss it, just make up shit and posture at me - like I give a fuck who wins your little fuck fest anyway - and I wont. Up to you.
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Self-evidently this is a lie because that's all you've been doing...
I don't mind being called a cunt a dick or whatever but a liar!

Reported.

Fuck that.
I didn't call you a liar, I said that you've been lying, which you have. That's not a personal attack, even at RatSkep, it's an analysis of your argument.
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Re: THIS is why we're intervening in Libya

Post by Aos Si » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:50 pm

Seth wrote:
Aos Si wrote:
Seth wrote:
Aos Si wrote:I give up COE do you want to talk to me or not? If you do then address my points if not don't.
He did, directly. I had to go back about five or six pages to actually find your point, which was a specious assertion that the US was engaged in some sort of colonialist/imperialist bombing campaign that was somehow unusual in this century. CES pointed out, quite properly, that such things are not in the least bit unusual, but indeed are rather commonplace worldwide, and that therefore your implication that the US is somehow "worse" than other nations because it engages in military actions in other nations is both false and specious.

You've been evading that rebuttal ever since, mostly by trying to use moral relativism as a prop and engaging in personal invective rather than addressing the facts which CES cited and provided links to.
I wont waste my time addressing blatant straw men. I just don't have the time, will or need to do it.
Promise? Does this mean that you're going to fuck off somewhere else now? :fist:
Look dude no ones argument is going down in flames,
True. However, your argument crashed and burned more than five pages ago and even the ashes are cold by now.
it's all good, you need to stop this silly game and just start answering peoples points.


Er, it's you that's doing the evading. If you have a point, other than the one on the top of your head, then why don't you make it with some semblance of clarity and reason, and we'll respond appropriately...again.
I'm not interested in playing mindless ass games.
Self-evidently this is a lie because that's all you've been doing...
I made a point this guy just ignored it and threw up straw men, I can't discuss shit with people who want to give me my argument and then just ignore everything I say. So yeah ask me question that bears any relation to what I said and I'll discuss it, carry on messing me about and I'll ignore you. Take it or leave it, I don't give a shit, not like anything hangs on this is it? Or is that it are you totting up some score on some imaginary chalk board? I'm sure your quite capable of talking vacuous and copious amounts of shit by yourself. You don't need an audience to give you imaginary pointers.

Why don't you stop posturing for once? Do you think it makes your case stronger to do that?"You argument crashed and burned 5 pages ago, wah, wah, wah make the bad man go away"? Stop crying Honestly. Just saying something does not make it true, no matter how many times you repeat it?
Wah indeed. :bored:
I only had one point, America lied, broke its word, that is conclusively shown by accurate history and the documents that are pertinent.
Nah, it's just you drinking the leftist Kool-Aid and believing the anti-American propaganda you've been spoon fed. The actual facts fully justify our actions.
Then happy go fuck up a thread alot came in and started throwing around accusations that I was excusing my nation, when I'd just said the exact opposite. This is just wankery and I don't need to be here for you people to make up my argument, go make up whatever fantasy you want and bundle it up with all the other cognitive dissonance it takes to believe in Bush Arch tard of all tards. At least religious apologetics has creationism, this isn't even funny.


Oh and who the fuck said they were invovled in an imperialist colonialist bombing campaign. I said I was in favour of going in on the basis of saving civilian lives and if it achieves a greater good which I was ambivalent on, believe it or not, or did you just conveniently miss that? FFS this is pointless. I said the US has acted that way in the 20th/21st century indulging in one pointless campaign after another, toppling democracies it didn't like, putting in dictators it though might gain it something, behaving like a twisted and belligerent child with a tin pot trying to force its will on everyone and failing miserably, while creating a shit storm of angry bees. 10/10 for effort 0/10 for results. There do you want to twist that to make the analogy to a colonialist power complete fucking straw again or what? I tell you what I'd rather Obama than that fucking idiot Bush or anyone like him, that guy was just shy of being mental with his delusional bs. And lets face it Obama could of come in riding a chariot from heaven itself and solved all the countries woes like some sort of miracle worker, and hard core right wingers would still find something to bitch about. What the hell did you expect?Jesus, some miracles? Everyone's fucked at the moment, the result of Reagans dim witted approach to economics (or Thatchers ass licking acceptance of the same etc for others) and some pretty stupid economic ideas over the last 20 years, get used to it.

You people are utterly full of shit and your arguments rely on making up crap that I'm supposed to have said but never did, and its boring me now. I'll say it again address what I actually said and I'll discuss it, just make up shit and posture at me - like I give a fuck who wins your little fuck fest anyway - and I wont. Up to you.
:bored: :coffee: :read: :pop:
Self-evidently this is a lie because that's all you've been doing...
I don't mind being called a cunt a dick or whatever but a liar!

Reported.

Fuck that.
I didn't call you a liar, I said that you've been lying, which you have. That's not a personal attack, even at RatSkep, it's an analysis of your argument.
yeah whatever my main beef is you are no longer talking to me but to whatever prejudices you have and hence what you expect to say next. I'll leave you to it. Want to address anything I've said go for it.

Later guys.

I'm not here for a fuck up of biblical proportions or to discuss sad conspiracy theories in lieu of the facts. Sorry but its just not my bag. yeah we're all just lying against the US because it is perfect, fuck me. :lol:

Apologetics is a murky business. It means you are already far to invested in your own mindset to believe anything. If anyone's drinking anything it's neocon bsade. It comes with a sachet that removes all cognitive dissonance, and enables you to do whatever you like consequence and moral integrity free. I wish you luck with that. :tut:

It means that you bore me and you ignore me, so I'll leave you talk your fantasies over with people who give a shit and like not being talked to but talked at. That's what it means, chalk another wankfest up on your scoreboard if it gets you hard.

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Re: THIS is why we're intervening in Libya

Post by Seth » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:09 pm

Bye. Don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out. Write if you get work...not.
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Re: THIS is why we're intervening in Libya

Post by Aos Si » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:26 am

Seth wrote:Bye. Don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out. Write if you get work...not.
Why don't you stop talking like some crazy with tin foil on his head, that way people might take all this half baked shit seriously, instead of just mocking you? Just a pointer for the future? Sane rational arguments are a much better platform to argue from than conspiracy theories by the Mushroom Men. Also you might not want to flat out tell me my argument even though 6 pages ago it was the opposite, this also just shows you haven't been listening or paying attention.

CES fuck knows its hard to have a conversation with someone who has no concern for listening to anyone and just writes stuff randomly it seems.

There is no door, there's just two people talking and not listening at the tops of their voice until everyone gets bored trying to have a reasonable conversation. "I am not listening! Wah, wwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" *Puts fingers in ears. :hehe:

I'll leave you to it, and if you want me to leave then its probably best if you stop talking to me isn't it. Another tip there from the idiots guide to rational conversation.

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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:35 am

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Re: THIS is why we're intervening in Libya

Post by Thumpalumpacus » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:38 am

Aos Si wrote:Another tip there from the idiots guide to rational conversation.
Advice from an expert, here.
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