Will Obama Be a One Term President?

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:46 pm

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Coito ergo sum wrote:Corporations rule the US, but it's just an amorphous "they" behind the scenes. It's like a corporate Illuminati, working to create a new corporate world order. Who they are is never certain, and we can never put our fingers on which corporations are in control...but "the corporations" control Obama....maybe it's Chick-Fil-A and the Black Entertainment Network in a conspiracy with Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream and PETA. These are the controlling corporations, I think.... or, maybe it's Subway Sandwiches and that Jared guy who can lose weight by eating subs...something sinister about them...air of global domination....
I know I need to refrain from personal attacks so I better keep this short. OF course it fucking behind the scenes! :hilarious: :fp: It doesn't take a genius to know that money rules in the US, fuck even comedians can figure that out.
LOL - yes, we are being controlled by a loose conspiracy between Disney, Southwest Airlines and Denny's restaurant... not just "behind the scences.." an amorphous "they" behind the scenes.... we can never know who they are - and nobody, specifically, is among those that control anything - it's just "the corporations".... There is no freedom - even though you can pretty much do whatever you want, including but not limited to start your own corporation and do decent business with just a modicum of effort. It's all the same, in reality - Cuba - United States - Canada - France - Netherlands - Iran - North Korea - all the same shit upside down. :smooch:

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by sandinista » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:49 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:Corporations rule the US, but it's just an amorphous "they" behind the scenes. It's like a corporate Illuminati, working to create a new corporate world order. Who they are is never certain, and we can never put our fingers on which corporations are in control...but "the corporations" control Obama....maybe it's Chick-Fil-A and the Black Entertainment Network in a conspiracy with Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream and PETA. These are the controlling corporations, I think.... or, maybe it's Subway Sandwiches and that Jared guy who can lose weight by eating subs...something sinister about them...air of global domination....
I know I need to refrain from personal attacks so I better keep this short. OF course it fucking behind the scenes! :hilarious: :fp: It doesn't take a genius to know that money rules in the US, fuck even comedians can figure that out.
LOL - yes, we are being controlled by a loose conspiracy between Disney, Southwest Airlines and Denny's restaurant... not just "behind the scences.." an amorphous "they" behind the scenes.... we can never know who they are - and nobody, specifically, is among those that control anything - it's just "the corporations".... There is no freedom - even though you can pretty much do whatever you want, including but not limited to start your own corporation and do decent business with just a modicum of effort. It's all the same, in reality - Cuba - United States - Canada - France - Netherlands - Iran - North Korea - all the same shit upside down. :smooch:
Yah Freedumb!!! USA Number 1!! :yawn: :yawn:
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:07 pm

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Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:Corporations rule the US, but it's just an amorphous "they" behind the scenes. It's like a corporate Illuminati, working to create a new corporate world order. Who they are is never certain, and we can never put our fingers on which corporations are in control...but "the corporations" control Obama....maybe it's Chick-Fil-A and the Black Entertainment Network in a conspiracy with Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream and PETA. These are the controlling corporations, I think.... or, maybe it's Subway Sandwiches and that Jared guy who can lose weight by eating subs...something sinister about them...air of global domination....
I know I need to refrain from personal attacks so I better keep this short. OF course it fucking behind the scenes! :hilarious: :fp: It doesn't take a genius to know that money rules in the US, fuck even comedians can figure that out.
LOL - yes, we are being controlled by a loose conspiracy between Disney, Southwest Airlines and Denny's restaurant... not just "behind the scences.." an amorphous "they" behind the scenes.... we can never know who they are - and nobody, specifically, is among those that control anything - it's just "the corporations".... There is no freedom - even though you can pretty much do whatever you want, including but not limited to start your own corporation and do decent business with just a modicum of effort. It's all the same, in reality - Cuba - United States - Canada - France - Netherlands - Iran - North Korea - all the same shit upside down. :smooch:
Yah "Freedom" USA Number 1!! :yawn: :yawn:
Nah! USA number 8! Maybe 9.1!

Doesn't matter. There is still a world of difference between reasonable places like the UK, Canada, Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, France, Germany, and the evil no-good cotton-pickin' United Snakes of 'Merka, and two bit, piece of crap totalitarian dictatorships like in Cuba, Iran, Syria, and North Korea. Even though we are all controlled by "the corporations" who steal our souls and rape our women, we are still worlds away better than the regimes you champion.

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by locutus7 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:08 pm

Remember, Eisenhower in the 1950's said the military/Industrial complex would be runnning things, and he was a Republican. And he said it with concern. There is a reason america is at a perpetual state of war.

That said, Obama has done more to bring social progress to this country than perhaps any other president in history except maybe Lincoln, a republican (where have all these good repubs gone?). Health care, gay rights, installing 2 liberal supreme court justices, saving the economy, etc,.

Let me put it bluntly: Obama good; right wing bad.
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by sandinista » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:10 pm

wll, coit, at least you finally agree. Yah...I "champion" Iran and Syria, keep pulling shit out of your ass. :fp:
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:20 pm

sandinista wrote:wll, coit, at least you finally agree. Yah...I "champion" Iran and Syria, keep pulling shit out of your ass. :fp:
Sorry, never sure which totalitarian regime you laud. So, are you saying that the US is freer than Syria and Iran? A nicer place to live? Better economic system? Better political system?

Is there one country in the world against which you will credit the US as doing any good things better?

I've never once heard you defend the US on any point. I've never head you suggest it was right on anything. I've never heard you suggest that any other country had done something wrong in relation to the US. I wonder - is there any instance when you would credit the US favorably, ever?

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by sandinista » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:27 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:wll, coit, at least you finally agree. Yah...I "champion" Iran and Syria, keep pulling shit out of your ass. :fp:
Sorry, never sure which totalitarian regime you laud. So, are you saying that the US is freer than Syria and Iran? A nicer place to live? Better economic system? Better political system?

Is there one country in the world against which you will credit the US as doing any good things better?

I've never once heard you defend the US on any point. I've never head you suggest it was right on anything. I've never heard you suggest that any other country had done something wrong in relation to the US. I wonder - is there any instance when you would credit the US favorably, ever?
I don't "laud" any totalitarian state...including the US. Isn't it just like a conservative american to think if one criticizes the US they must love North Korea. Wow. :roll: Either wit us or wit the tourists.
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:43 pm

sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:wll, coit, at least you finally agree. Yah...I "champion" Iran and Syria, keep pulling shit out of your ass. :fp:
Sorry, never sure which totalitarian regime you laud. So, are you saying that the US is freer than Syria and Iran? A nicer place to live? Better economic system? Better political system?

Is there one country in the world against which you will credit the US as doing any good things better?

I've never once heard you defend the US on any point. I've never head you suggest it was right on anything. I've never heard you suggest that any other country had done something wrong in relation to the US. I wonder - is there any instance when you would credit the US favorably, ever?
I don't "laud" any totalitarian state...including the US. Isn't it just like a conservative american to think if one criticizes the US they must love North Korea. Wow. :roll: Either wit us or wit the tourists.
I don't have any issue with you criticizing the US. I have an issue with you calling it "totalitarian" when it isn't, and the fact that you will never credit the US for anything positive, ever. That's a big difference.

I don't think you "must" be for North Korea - it's just that you equate the US with places like Cuba and North Korea - unless you're going to suggest that you don't - am I wrong? Will you credit the US with anything at all? Is there any qualitative difference between the US and Cuba? The US and North Korea?

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by sandinista » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:03 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:wll, coit, at least you finally agree. Yah...I "champion" Iran and Syria, keep pulling shit out of your ass. :fp:
Sorry, never sure which totalitarian regime you laud. So, are you saying that the US is freer than Syria and Iran? A nicer place to live? Better economic system? Better political system?

Is there one country in the world against which you will credit the US as doing any good things better?

I've never once heard you defend the US on any point. I've never head you suggest it was right on anything. I've never heard you suggest that any other country had done something wrong in relation to the US. I wonder - is there any instance when you would credit the US favorably, ever?
I don't "laud" any totalitarian state...including the US. Isn't it just like a conservative american to think if one criticizes the US they must love North Korea. Wow. :roll: Either wit us or wit the tourists.
I don't have any issue with you criticizing the US. I have an issue with you calling it "totalitarian" when it isn't, and the fact that you will never credit the US for anything positive, ever. That's a big difference.

I don't think you "must" be for North Korea - it's just that you equate the US with places like Cuba and North Korea - unless you're going to suggest that you don't - am I wrong? Will you credit the US with anything at all? Is there any qualitative difference between the US and Cuba? The US and North Korea?
Of course you take issue with anyone criticizing the US, as soon as anyone does you just start complaining about Cuba or Venezuela or North Korea or Syria for some reason, like a conditioned response or something. What do you mean "equate"? In what sense? Like the US has murdered millions of people through bombing raids and Cuba hasn't?
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:12 pm

sandinista wrote: Of course you take issue with anyone criticizing the US, as soon as anyone does you just start complaining about Cuba or Venezuela or North Korea or Syria for some reason, like a conditioned response or something. What do you mean "equate"? In what sense? Like the US has murdered millions of people through bombing raids and Cuba hasn't?
Actually, I don't. I criticize the US all the time, so much so that many have criticized me for criticizing it.

I only talk about Cuba and Venezuela, etc., on the relevant threads, or when someone else brings it up.

Just answer the question - in whatever sense you can imagine, is there any point on which you will credit the US as having done something better than Cuba or North Korea or Iran or Syria? Don't evade the question -- is there some way, any way, that the US is superior to those countries?

I have no problem saying, for example, that Great Britain is far superior to North Korea and Cuba in almost every way. Their government is much freer and fairer - their economic system is much freer and fairer - they respect human rights much more - they imprison political prisoners much less - they treat their citizens much better, and I can go on and on.

You've found a way to suggest that Cuba is superior to the US. Can you achieve the reverse?

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by sandinista » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:15 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote: Of course you take issue with anyone criticizing the US, as soon as anyone does you just start complaining about Cuba or Venezuela or North Korea or Syria for some reason, like a conditioned response or something. What do you mean "equate"? In what sense? Like the US has murdered millions of people through bombing raids and Cuba hasn't?
Actually, I don't. I criticize the US all the time, so much so that many have criticized me for criticizing it.

I only talk about Cuba and Venezuela, etc., on the relevant threads, or when someone else brings it up.
Actually...you do.
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:18 pm

sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote: Of course you take issue with anyone criticizing the US, as soon as anyone does you just start complaining about Cuba or Venezuela or North Korea or Syria for some reason, like a conditioned response or something. What do you mean "equate"? In what sense? Like the US has murdered millions of people through bombing raids and Cuba hasn't?
Actually, I don't. I criticize the US all the time, so much so that many have criticized me for criticizing it.

I only talk about Cuba and Venezuela, etc., on the relevant threads, or when someone else brings it up.
Actually...you do.
Go ahead - answer the question.

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by sandinista » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:36 pm

Your "questions" make no sense. Nonsense.
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:20 pm

1. are you saying that the US is freer than Syria and Iran? A nicer place to live? Better economic system? Better political system? yes? no? They're about the same?

2. Is there one country in the world against which you will credit the US as doing anything better? Anything good or beneficial, that is...

3. I've never once heard you defend the US on any point. I've never head you suggest it was right on anything.

You are, of course, able to make judgments in favor of other countries. You have said Cuba has a better medical system, for example. So, why can't you say whether there is anything the US does better than Cuba?

These aren't nonsense questions. Maybe your answer is no on all counts - there is nothing that that US does, nothing about the US, that is better than Cuba, North Korea, Syria or Iran. That does appear to be your view, since you refuse to say otherwise.

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by sandinista » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:41 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:1. are you saying that the US is freer than Syria and Iran? A nicer place to live? Better economic system? Better political system? yes? no? They're about the same?

2. Is there one country in the world against which you will credit the US as doing anything better? Anything good or beneficial, that is...

3. I've never once heard you defend the US on any point. I've never head you suggest it was right on anything.

You are, of course, able to make judgments in favor of other countries. You have said Cuba has a better medical system, for example. So, why can't you say whether there is anything the US does better than Cuba?

These aren't nonsense questions. Maybe your answer is no on all counts - there is nothing that that US does, nothing about the US, that is better than Cuba, North Korea, Syria or Iran. That does appear to be your view, since you refuse to say otherwise.
1. Define "free", define "nicer", define "better".
2. US football is better than canadian football.
3. Not sure if you have been right on anything, although I certainly haven't read all eight thousand or so posts of yours.
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