Assasinate or Not Assasinate?

[Atheist-Lite]

The Assanage Dilemma. Is he hiding from the due process of law being a dirty old man in Sweden? or the Assassins bullet?

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[Feck]

I think this requires a lynching
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[GreyICE]

Yeah, this doesn't fly for most Americans. Frankly, most Americans have a sort of sneaking respect for anyone who exercises free speech with that large a pair of brass testes, even if they think the person is misguided. Calls to kill people over diplomatic cables that even our Defense Secretary doesn't think are a big deal just makes those two failures look even more ridiculous. We're the nation that lets the Wesboro Baptist Church, Neonazis, and Scientologists say as they will, and frankly, most of us like it that way.

[charlou]

The radio media reports I heard on what was most recently leaked seemed mainly focussed on the fact that the leaked information revealed that some unkind things had been said about world leaders. pffft.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

The radio media reports I heard on what was most recently leaked seemed mainly focussed on the fact that the leaked information revealed that some unkind things had been said about world leaders. pffft.

Yeah. Big news! America doesn't like every country in the world and thinks that some of their leaders are less than perfect!

Personally, I think it might be more enlightening if Assange managed to get his hands on, and publish, similar documents from a few other countries; say, Iran, Israel, China, Russia, North Korea. Fucking hell - North Korea! Just think what their diplomats might be saying!

[JimC]

Yeah, this doesn't fly for most Americans. Frankly, most Americans have a sort of sneaking respect for anyone who exercises free speech with that large a pair of brass testes, even if they think the person is misguided. Calls to kill people over diplomatic cables that even our Defense Secretary doesn't think are a big deal just makes those two failures look even more ridiculous. We're the nation that lets the Wesboro Baptist Church, Neonazis, and Scientologists say as they will, and frankly, most of us like it that way.

I agree...

Personally, I think it might be more enlightening if Assange managed to get his hands on, and publish, similar documents from a few other countries; say, Iran, Israel, China, Russia, North Korea. Fucking hell - North Korea! Just think what their diplomats might be saying!

Also a good point, but they may not be quite as slack at security as the Yanks...

[charlou]

Their self righteous outrage is laughable ... they just want to lynch these guys out of their own embarrassment.

[my_wan]

I tend to think that anything that is published openly, as opposed to being sold to foreign governments, qualifies the "The Press", and should be afforded the rights of "The Press". However, some of the stuff published by wikileaks serves no interest except to those that will kill our allies in other countries. How many people who helped us has or will die in Afghanistan over this?

The discomfort it created for our diplomats is of no concern to me, and even quiet funny. Yet the foreign individuals whos lives are now in danger, and lack the resources to effectively protect themselves, makes me rather conflicted over Assange's legal status.

[Trolldor]

I wonder how many people who support Assange are also the kind of people who would do this

Assange is a delusional prick. The US has little grounds to prosecute him because of freedom of the press, because he released the documents to the public, not to foreign powers, and he didn't steal them. And the US has publically acknowledged this. The US is competent enough to know that killing him won't do a thing to stem it. If anything it would make it worse. That's how the internet operates, the more you try to silence something the more profuse it becomes.

The problem has always been clear and present, it's an organisation that can, at a whim, release any information it comes in to possession of.
There is no arbiter, they answer to nobody.
Not even to the public.

Recently not only has Assange threatened banks, he also very publically stated Hillary should 'stand down'.
These are not the actions of an objective whistle-blower.

[Atheist-Lite]

I wonder how many people who support Assange are also the kind of people who would do this

Assange is a delusional prick. The US has little grounds to prosecute him because of freedom of the press, because he released the documents to the public, not to foreign powers, and he didn't steal them. And the US has publically acknowledged this. The US is competent enough to know that killing him won't do a thing to stem it. If anything it would make it worse. That's how the internet operates, the more you try to silence something the more profuse it becomes.

The problem has always been clear and present, it's an organisation that can, at a whim, release any information it comes in to possession of.
There is no arbiter, they answer to nobody.
Not even to the public.

Recently not only has Assange threatened banks, he also very publically stated Hillary should 'stand down'.
These are not the actions of an objective whistle-blower.

Not just that. If he is guilty of these crimes in Sweden then he should face the full weight of the law. Why is he running away? What is he a afraid of? He'll get a fair trial. Sweden isn't a third world corrupt regime ready to lynch him on a whim. He should be safer in a Swedish prison awaiting trial if his fear is the assassins bullet?

[Gawd]

On the contrary, look at Osama bin Laden. He's been safe all these years. Also, the Israeli and American muderers don't care about killing indiscriminately. Just look at the Gaza Flotilla and the lack of outrage from the Americans over the murders. What did Obama do? Oh, it was "disappointing" and now the Americans are giving Israel 20 warplanes for free. The Israeli's and the Americans can't be trusted.

[Meekychuppet]

I love the American take on this. They've been caught pissing in the swimming pool so their response is 'kill the Guy who caught us' rather than 'sorry we pissed in your swimming pool'.

[eXcommunicate]

I wonder how many people who support Assange are also the kind of people who would do this

Red herring.

Assange is a delusional prick.

Who is doing more for transparency and freedom of speech than you are.

The US has little grounds to prosecute him because of freedom of the press, because he released the documents to the public, not to foreign powers, and he didn't steal them. And the US has publically acknowledged this.

Yep. Wikileaks is perfectly legal, and an inevitable backlash against what our governments and societies have become.

The US is competent enough to know that killing him won't do a thing to stem it.

Oh, I wouldn't count on that. Western governments have done a lot of stupid things, including assassinations and coups, which have come back to bite us all in the ass.

The problem has always been clear and present, it's an organisation that can, at a whim, release any information it comes in to possession of.

As can any other organization.

There is no arbiter, they answer to nobody.

Good.

Not even to the public.

The "public" sucks. Easily swayed. Easily distracted. Easily enslaved. Fortunately they suck just a little bit less than our corporate-fascist masters.

Recently not only has Assange threatened banks,

"Threatened"? You mean promised to reveal the truth? The horror!

he also very publically stated Hillary should 'stand down'.

He has every right to say what he did. He's also right--she should step down, not just because of her orders to spy on UN officials to the point of stealing passwords and DNA(!), but because of the massive leak that occurred on her watch. She should take full responsibility, which for a politician means resigning and allowing someone else, who is not tainted with the stench of the current controversy, to come in and clean up her mess.

These are not the actions of an objective whistle-blower.

Wikileaks has never claimed to be "objective," only that they promise the real whistle-blowers the widest and most effective dissemination of the materials given to them.

[GreyICE]

I love the American take on this. They've been caught pissing in the swimming pool so their response is 'kill the Guy who caught us' rather than 'sorry we pissed in your swimming pool'.

Exactly what were we caught doing, though? Using diplomats to gather information? What country doesn't, like... Belgium?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I love the American take on this. They've been caught pissing in the swimming pool so their response is 'kill the Guy who caught us' rather than 'sorry we pissed in your swimming pool'.

Exactly what were we caught doing, though? Using diplomats to gather information? What country doesn't, like... Belgium?

He... said... Belg... ... The "B" word!!1!!!!!