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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by mistermack » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:26 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:Fine, if it wasn't a missile we would expect there to be absolutely no evidence demonstrating it was.

There is no demonstrable evidence that it was a missile thus, in the absence of all evidence, I can for certain state that it is not a missile.

Now, please prove your claim.
By the same logic, we know for certain it wasn't a jet.
We seem to have proved it's a hoax then.
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Post by Trolldor » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:29 am

But there is evidence it could have been a jet, there is just counter-evidence.

And there is no proof it's a "hoax" or how the hoax was performed.
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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by Blondie » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:38 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:
Anthroban wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:Actually the positive claim is that 'it is or could be a missile'.

And no evidence has been forthcoming.
Holy clueless fuck.

You claimed we definitely know it is not a missile. This is a positive claim.

It's like saying we definitely know God doesn't exist. Also a positive claim.

Both require evidence.

Put up or retract.
Fine, if it wasn't a missile we would expect there to be absolutely no evidence demonstrating it was.

There is no demonstrable evidence that it was a missile thus, in the absence of all evidence, I can for certain state that it is not a missile.

Now, please prove your claim.
Which claim would that be? Tell me and I'll be happy to back it up (if I made the claim at all).

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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by Trolldor » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:41 am

You can only object to the idea of 'not a missile' if you believe there is reasonable grounds it could be.
So, present them.

If you have none then you've just wasted everyone's time.
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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by Don't Panic » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:49 am

Ian wrote:
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Ian wrote:
mistermack wrote:Ian, you live in a fantasy world. I hope it's a nice place, but I'm happy with reality thanks.
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Still want to say that in light of the Flight 808 information? :FIO:

If you ever manage to prove that it was indeed a missile, then I'll stop thinking you're insane. Until then...
Is that what you call information? That confirms what I thought all along, you're a daydreaming fantasist.

I think someone fucked up and let one go. It just amazes me that it didn't land on british troops. like the rest of their "friendly" mistakes.
Anthroban and Mistermack,

Let me be clear. I'm not saying what it was (although Flight 808 seems like a reasonable explanation), I'm just emphasizing what it is not: a secret military launch. It could not have been that. Period. End of story. Not math degree required, but understanding how such launches happen tends to help. And if you're convinced that's what it must have been, I can only ask you to take off your tin foil hats and re-read what I've already wrote.
What I'm really wondering about all this is, what happened to all the DSP satellites? Surely a missile launch of the west coast of the US would have triggered a couple of alarms in NORAD, increased states of readiness in defence forces, and surely one of those soldiers would have mentioned it since then.

Since I don't see anything to suggest any of that happened, I think an airliner is the simplest solution.
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Post by Azathoth » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:52 am

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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by Blondie » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:55 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:You can only object to the idea of 'not a missile' if you believe there is reasonable grounds it could be.
So, present them.

If you have none then you've just wasted everyone's time.
First, this doesn't count as evidence for your claim that it is certainly not a missile.

Second, I never objected to the claim that "it is certainly not a missile". I asked you to back it up with some evidence (which you have not done).

Third, I never claimed it was a missile.

Fourth, I've made no serious claims as to what it was at all. I've only been speculating.

Fifth, if you feel I'm wasting your time don't read my fucking posts.

Sixth, if you do read my posts, do so with a little effort put into comprehending what I'm writing.

In conclusion: your post is a load of bullshit.

But, you wanna play sophist with me? Let's do it baby.

Item a) Define "reasonable grounds"

Item b) I can only object to x if I have "reasonable grounds" to believe otherwise.

There is a teapot orbitting the sun between earth and mars. You may only object if you have "reasonable grounds" to believe otherwise. Give me your cause to object to my teapot claim.

Complete item a before moving on to item b.
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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by mistermack » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:56 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:But there is evidence it could have been a jet, there is just counter-evidence.

And there is no proof it's a "hoax" or how the hoax was performed.
There's no more evidence for it being a jet, than a missile. Except that it's nothing like a jet, and just like a missile.
Has nobody ever seen a jet? When they make vapour trails, there is a gap between the jet and the trail. It need a certain distance to cool and condense.
There is no gap on this.
It's dense turbulent smoke that behaves totally differently to vapour. Also you see the flame a couple of times. That was no reflection.

As far as a hoax goes, I'm just saying it could be. If this guy has ten minutes film, why is there so little released? How come the whole footage isn't on the web?
That really stinks. If I was a news cameraman, and thought I had a good story, I wouldn't have put that camera down till nothing was left to see. AND I would have taken still shots as well.
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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by JimC » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:58 am

DP wrote:

What I'm really wondering about all this is, what happened to all the DSP satellites? Surely a missile launch of the west coast of the US would have triggered a couple of alarms in NORAD, increased states of readiness in defence forces, and surely one of those soldiers would have mentioned it since then.

Since I don't see anything to suggest any of that happened, I think an airliner is the simplest solution.
I tend to agree. It is clear that there are no other indications other than an odd contrail to say it is a missile.

However, the contrail is definitely odd.

What would be great is for a serious investigative TV program to devote its resources to analysing this event, allowing a range of informed people to comment, and have the evidence looked at by, let's say, a serious engineering lab at a University.
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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by Blondie » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:02 am

mistermack wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:But there is evidence it could have been a jet, there is just counter-evidence.

And there is no proof it's a "hoax" or how the hoax was performed.
There's no more evidence for it being a jet, than a missile. Except that it's nothing like a jet, and just like a missile.
Has nobody ever seen a jet? When they make vapour trails, there is a gap between the jet and the trail. It need a certain distance to cool and condense.
There is no gap on this.
It's dense turbulent smoke that behaves totally differently to vapour.
Fucking right. I've looked for some images to show the difference but haven't found any good ones yet. But you've made the point very well.

With all these navy experts I thought they would have known as much. Guess not.

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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by Ian » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:05 am

Anthroban wrote:
mistermack wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:But there is evidence it could have been a jet, there is just counter-evidence.

And there is no proof it's a "hoax" or how the hoax was performed.
There's no more evidence for it being a jet, than a missile. Except that it's nothing like a jet, and just like a missile.
Has nobody ever seen a jet? When they make vapour trails, there is a gap between the jet and the trail. It need a certain distance to cool and condense.
There is no gap on this.
It's dense turbulent smoke that behaves totally differently to vapour.
Fucking right. I've looked for some images to show the difference but haven't found any good ones yet. But you've made the point very well.

With all these navy experts I thought they would have known as much. Guess not.
And I guess you don't know enough to understand how (and where) such launches happen, beyond the engineering aspect.
I don't suppose with your level of clearance you've been able to read DEFSMAC reports this past week? Or, rather, a certain lack thereof...

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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by Blondie » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:15 am

With all due respect sir, fuck you too.

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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by Ian » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:22 am

Anthroban wrote:With all due respect sir, fuck you too.

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That's more like it.
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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by Mahou » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:54 am

http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/

That is a URL to an article explaining the science behind how a jet contrail can look like a missile trail. It also discusses other examples of this very thing as well as providing reasons why it couldn't have been a missile.

Here's a picture of a plane contrail:
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Is this evidence enough to demonstrate that beyond reasonable doubt this was most likely a plane?
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Re: Mystery Missile

Post by Clinton Huxley » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:09 am

We all know it was a missile. Come on! The question is, was it a Bilderberg Group missile or an Illuminati missile?

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