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Re: Insurrection!

Post by stripes4 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:12 pm

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Clinton Huxley wrote:Madam, somethings are more important than Tesco's deliveries. More important, even, than Ocado....
Yes, but would you still think so if there were bricks flying around your street with the odd riot going on, your kids' school was closed because the teachers were out on strike, and ocado couldn't deliver because of the road blocks? Perhaps you would. Maybe I underestimate your allegiance to 'the cause', but I do suspect that we should leave the anarchy talk to the young folk, while we discuss recipes online and rub our bunions, don't you?
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RIOT NOW! before it's too late!!! Smash! burn! loot! Fuck the Police and 5-0 Toooooooo!!!!
Yeah. You go for it Rob. Fucking anarchy... ;ob; :angrythis: ... now where did I put my Sex Pistols long playing album... hmmmm :fp:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:14 pm

In summary, the Con-Dem Manifesto....

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Re: Insurrection!

Post by GrahamH » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:15 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:
pawiz wrote:Is this the UK version of the Tea Party?

I say old chaps, let's take old Blighty back. What ho!

Apparently, there is a UK version in the offing, led by Richard Littlejohn...

I'm thinking a bit more lefty than the Tea Party - the armed wing of the Guardianistas.
Littlejohn!? That Daily Mail ranter surely isn't any nearer the centre than the 'Teabaggers'

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:22 pm

Littlejohn and John Gaunt, so I'm told. Can you imagine?
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Post by GrahamH » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:45 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Littlejohn and John Gaunt, so I'm told. Can you imagine?
I'd rather not! :o

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:46 pm

Peasants Revolt II: This time it's personal...
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Post by stripes4 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:59 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Peasants Revolt II: This time it's personal...
OOh... are you going to threaten someone with you pile cream and nasal hair clippers.... oooh scary :funny:
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Post by Feck » Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:55 pm

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Pappa wrote:Civil disobedience is a duty and a right.
"The government should fear the people, not vice versa."
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Re: Insurrection!

Post by GrahamH » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:07 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Pappa wrote:Civil disobedience is a duty and a right.
"The government should fear the people, not vice versa."
Not forgetting that the people should salso fear the people. Governments are, in part, how a people protect themselves from the people.

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Re: Insurrection!

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:16 pm

GrahamH wrote:
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Pappa wrote:Civil disobedience is a duty and a right.
"The government should fear the people, not vice versa."
Not forgetting that the people should salso fear the people. Governments are, in part, how a people protect themselves from the people.
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Re: Insurrection!

Post by stripes4 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:26 pm

May I simply refer you to Shakespeare's 'Measure for Measure'. If youve never read it, then that's reallly not my problem, now, is it?
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Re: Insurrection!

Post by Feck » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:31 pm

GrahamH wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Pappa wrote:Civil disobedience is a duty and a right.
"The government should fear the people, not vice versa."
Not forgetting that the people should also fear the people. Governments are, in part, how a people protect themselves from the people.
Um no ,Government is how the comfortable protect what they have from those who have not ,We the people :funny: What should you do when because of a quirk in the rules a Party who has not been elected comes to Government supported by another party that have abandoned EVERY principle they ever had decide that with the support of their friends in the commercial media decide that only the interests of the tiny minority of privileged few should be taken into account ?

What is the majority meant to do when the government has decided that the wrecking of the economy serves their political ends ?

Do you not think that it is a telling fact that apart from priests the ONLY profession that is celebrated for their skill in LYING are lawyers and that is the most common profession represented in parliament apart from professional politicians ?
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:56 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:At what point does it become the duty of a free-born citizenry to rise up against a "democratically" elected government turned tyrannical enemy of the people?

Just askin'......
Whenever a government becomes destructive to the lives and liberty of the people, and no longer serves purpose of a government which is to secure to the people their natural rights. However, governments tend to view these things differently, and are liable to kill those folks doing the rising up, so they'd best be sure not only of the justness of their cause but of their ability to defeat the government in hand-to-hand combat.

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Re: Insurrection!

Post by Feck » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:03 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:At what point does it become the duty of a free-born citizenry to rise up against a "democratically" elected government turned tyrannical enemy of the people?

Just askin'......
Whenever a government becomes destructive to the lives and liberty of the people, and no longer serves purpose of a government which is to secure to the people their natural rights. However, governments tend to view these things differently, and are liable to kill those folks doing the rising up, so they'd best be sure not only of the justness of their cause but of their ability to defeat the government in hand-to-hand combat.

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Re: Insurrection!

Post by GrahamH » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:09 pm

Feck wrote:
GrahamH wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Pappa wrote:Civil disobedience is a duty and a right.
"The government should fear the people, not vice versa."
Not forgetting that the people should also fear the people. Governments are, in part, how a people protect themselves from the people.
Um no ,Government is how the comfortable protect what they have from those who have not ,We the people :funny:
That too, but show me a case where anarchy (as a political system) actually worked for a large population.

The people organising the Tea Party are no different than the politicians you distrust so much. They seek to persuade the people to support them using political power for their own ends.
Feck wrote:What should you do when because of a quirk in the rules a Party who has not been elected comes to Government supported by another party that have abandoned EVERY principle they ever had decide that with the support of their friends in the commercial media decide that only the interests of the tiny minority of privileged few should be taken into account ?
Within the rules of the game they were elected. The group in power has a majority of seats. We might not like the alliance or the compromises required to make it work, but what is your alternative?
Feck wrote:What is the majority meant to do when the government has decided that the wrecking of the economy serves their political ends ?
I don't think the majority knows if current policies are wrecking or rescuing the economy. Or indeed, if the old economic model should be saved or replaced.
Feck wrote:Do you not think that it is a telling fact that apart from priests the ONLY profession that is celebrated for their skill in LYING are lawyers and that is the most common profession represented in parliament apart from professional politicians ?
The skill is persuasion, for lawyers, politicians and insurrectionist. None of those groups is above bending the truth to achieve their goals, but it is too cynical to suggest they are all inveterate liars.

No doubt many in each group see their goals as justice, good governance and freedom respectively. The failures are always more noticeable than the successes.

If you have some better answers I would love to know what they are (seriously).

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