How to really screw up abiogenisis research.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And until we do, we don't know that we're missing anything.

But we will know that we can't figure it out. We won't know that we need chipotlegenic hydrodamnitallide to kick start life.

[Trolldor]

We won't know that we do need it either.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

We won't know that we do need it either.

True, and if life started elsewhere we may never know. That's the point of this thread, btw.

[Feck]

The conditions have to be within a certain range ,amino acids have to be stable ,proteins have to be stable and hold their structure, the elements needed for all the amino acids have to be present .that puts quite a lot of limits on where ambiogenisis could take place .

[Trolldor]

The conditions have to be within a certain range ,amino acids have to be stable ,proteins have to be stable and hold their structure, the elements needed for all the amino acids have to be present .that puts quite a lot of limits on where ambiogenisis could take place .

The conditions that we so far believe to be the case.

[Dory]

I am rather beginning to suspect that even chemical evolution was possible due to physical evolution first, just like the biological evolution was enabled after the chemical evolution. That is to say, perhaps there was a physical evolutionary process (the coming together of subsubsubparticles to create a stable substance known as atom), that had kept evolving until what we decided to define as biology, is in fact simply the continuous evolution of the universe. Natural selection then must apply to chemistry and physics as well.

[Feck]

I am rather beginning to suspect that even chemical evolution was possible due to physical evolution first, just like the biological evolution was enabled after the chemical evolution. That is to say, perhaps there was a physical evolutionary process (the coming together of subsubsubparticles to create a stable substance known as atom), that had kept evolving until what we decided to define as biology, is in fact simply the continuous evolution of the universe. Natural selection then must apply to chemistry and physics as well.

if the presence of one molecule makes the formation of another one like it more possible then molecules could be thought of as 'evolving '

[Trolldor]

Replicating.

It's only 'evolving' if the molecules are changing.

[Feck]

Replicating.

It's only 'evolving' if the molecules are changing.

Yeah first replicate then that changes conditions or templates and available substrates so different molecules are formed later in response to the original types ...not exactly like evolution but a process with similar effects ?

[PsychoSerenity]

Replicating.

It's only 'evolving' if the molecules are changing.

Yeah first replicate then that changes conditions or templates and available substrates so different molecules are formed later in response to the original types ...not exactly like evolution but a process with similar effects ?

The universe is a complex system with emergent dynamics. That is all.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Replicating.

It's only 'evolving' if the molecules are changing.

Yeah first replicate then that changes conditions or templates and available substrates so different molecules are formed later in response to the original types ...not exactly like evolution but a process with similar effects ?

The universe is a complex system with emergent dynamics. That is all.

We're going to have to be a whole lot smarter to figure this out.

[Tero]

However life started it's still likely to be down to chemistry, the same rules will still apply wherever the origin lies.

This is what I always thought. Elsewhere in the universe you will still find critters with exoskeletons and some with spines.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

However life started it's still likely to be down to chemistry, the same rules will still apply wherever the origin lies.

This is what I always thought. Elsewhere in the universe you will still find critters with exoskeletons and some with spines.

The problem is I'm not at all sure we know all the rules. I seriously doubt we have it all shushed after only a couple of centuries.

[Trolldor]

We don't have it sussed out here, let alone out there in the Universe.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

We don't have it sussed out here, let alone out there in the Universe.

Ed Zachery.