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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 3

Post by oblivion » Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:34 am

Magicziggy wrote:That wiki page does not really explain why we should do it for this game.
It seems to me to prevent your lynch. The longer you can survive, the greater your chances of winning.
I don't buy into it that our chances of winning are low.
There's 4-1. If Twinkie can block, we'll be laughing.
At 3-1, we should take our chance to win the game.
It's flawed logic as far as I can see, but I am open to be convinced.
with 4 players and 1 scum player, each town player has to decide who is most scummy among 3 other players. And the scum only has to look less scummy than one of them.

When you vote nolynch in that situation you get 2 new pieces of info. 1) Who the scum chose to kill on the next night. 2) Who the scum chose not to kill. And equally important, the town players have 2 choices the next day, and the scum player has fewer players to make a case that they are more scummy.

The downside is that usually the more experienced town players get taken out, which can hurt town.

I *think* it will help town in this situation. I've seen nolynch used 3 times in other games. In two cases, town won. In one case scum won. I think the primary difference when scum won was the experience level of the 2 town players, and the fact that one of them had appeared almost scummy enough to lynch during the latter half of the game. Even so, it was very clear to onlookers which of the players was trying to avoid a lynch and which was trying to find the last scum. It's just not something relatively inexperienced players knew to key in on.

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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 3

Post by oblivion » Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:37 am

Animavore wrote:This is the most head wrecking game I've played yet.
And the idea of another 48hrs of this shit is bugging the shit out of me.
This is one of the hardest games I've ever played as town, too.

Is there a reason why day 4 has to last 48 hours? I don't remember.

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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 3

Post by Animavore » Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:38 am

Maybe Zigmen is off for the weekend?
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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 3

Post by oblivion » Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:42 am

I'm looking for where the long day over the weekend was announced and I'm coming up empty. Is it because he'll be away?

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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 3

Post by oblivion » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:13 pm

Twinkie wrote:
Animavore wrote:This is a head wrecker.
I can't even view anyone because the Don will show up innocent making me useless.
I don't like this 36hrs stuff either.

Ani, whoever oblivion thinks you're going to view, is going to be who she kills tonight.

Feral, what I meant was, oblivion leapt at the opportunity for this vanilla role claim, because she was aware of the vanilla role wording. And, it just occurred to me, when Denny posted just before nightfall, he apologised. He wasn't apologising to town; he was apologising to oblivion, for not being around! And that's how she could bus him, because she knew he wasn't around, and she was otherwise going to be lynched. It was a desperate move, and the only one she could do.
Just going back through and checking for what I may have missed earlier. I think DennyB was obliquely apologizing to scum.

I am not scum. I am vanilla town. Ironically, this is my favorite role because usually vanilla town don't have to worry about anything but finding and lynching scum based on the evidence in the threads until the specials either come through with the goods on scum or they don't. This game, there have been a gazillion distractions to finding scum, starting with being put in the running for mayor right off the bat. Still, I've done ok at finding scum. I've had a direct hand in getting 2 of them lynched.

I think I've de-trolley tracked myself regarding you, put away all my preconceived notions, and am accepting (for what, the 3rd time?) that you are town and that town will lose if I keep pursuing you or if I get paranoid about Ani again. I may be an idiot town player for pursuing a special so hard yesterday, but if I were scum and I KNEW you and Ani were town, there is no way that I'd do something so high risk as to try to get a town special lynched. I'd go directly for an easier lynch. Instead, yesterday I cleared at least one easier lynch than myself.

I'd like for you guys to try to do the same, and think about whether my actions have really been in scum's best interest or not. If there is a mislynch then scum win. there is no more room for error. There has been very little room for error to start with. With the vig kill of town, all we have ever had was room for 1 lynch error. That fact has forced me to think about options I wouldn't worry about in a longer game, because there would be plenty of time to sort them.

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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 3

Post by oblivion » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:20 pm

also, I started work on the vanilla town clearing gambit first thing yesterday. It was not a last minute desperate option. It was one of the two prongs I decided to pursue early yesterday - test vanilla town, and test Ani. Ani was almost an afterthought because until his 2nd post indicating he didn't know Charlou was the vig, I wasn't too concerned about him. He went from afterthought to star attraction instantly when he role claimed after showing that lack of knowledge about Charlou.

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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 3

Post by Feral_Punctuation » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:32 pm

This is what I thought yesterday:
Feral_Punctuation wrote:So if Oblivion is scum, why is he going for Ani and not an easier target? I mean, one more wrong lynch and a night kill and they've won. Well, Twinkie's protection could stop the nk. But attacking Ani just makes Twinkie's protection more unpredictable, right? Twinkie wouldn't protect me or Denny, scum could just nk the one who isn't lynched. Unless one of us (Denny) is scum. Cast doubt on Ani and Twinkie is much less likely to protect him, leaving him open. Worth it, given Ob's relative impunity. Add to that that it will take attention off of Denny (and Ob hasn't mentioned him in a while) and it seems worth it.
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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 3

Post by Feral_Punctuation » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:33 pm

But I will look into it more before I make my lynch vote.
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Boy Band Mafia Day 4

Post by Zigmen » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:09 pm

Day 4

More trouble with the wiring it would seem.

The Town Band is down to a snippet of it's original size. You play in anger today.




Oblivion was zapped last night. She was Vanilla Town.

The battle tightens up a bit, but there's still nobody chosen to play the Great Gig.


The living:

6 feral p
7 twinkie
8 Ani
10 MZ

The Dead:

1 Charlou - Town Vig
2 Oblivion Town
3 Feck-Town
4 Mantisdreamz - Town
5 Denny -Scum
9 Eduard- Town
11 Budskiboo - Scum

I'm unhappy to see that screenshots of the Messaging Inbox were cut and pasted into the thread yesterday, however altered they may have been. This is a violation in spirit of the rule against copying PMs into the game thread. It's borderline cheating. This game is supposed to be about what you can all learn from what is said in these threads and not about looking elsewhere for evidence.

I'm saddened.

I will punish the responsible team with an unannounced penalty at some point.

The lecture is over.

Today will run 36 hours unless a majority of votes are finalized thusly:
Vote PlayerX Final

Final votes cannot be changed after they are entered.

Good luck and keep it clean, folks!
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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 4

Post by Animavore » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:17 pm

That.. was... unexpected :?
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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 4

Post by Zigmen » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:30 pm

Please elect a new Mayor
Mayor votes may be finalized as well . . .
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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 4

Post by Animavore » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:31 pm

I'm the only non-scum I know any more so I'm voting for myself.

Vote Animavore.
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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 3

Post by Feral_Punctuation » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:34 pm

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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 4

Post by Feral_Punctuation » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:52 pm

Animavore wrote:That.. was... unexpected :?
So much this.

Why would scum kill Oblivion, when she was set to be lynched? One of two reasons:
1) Oblivion was the only person they (well, s/he) were sure wouldn't be protected.
2) Casts doubt on other people. Probably me.
Most likely a combination of the two.

8 Ani - certainly town
6 feral p - well, I know I'm town, hopefully my PM has convinced you as well
7 twinkie - again, most likely town
10 MZ - I was suspicious already

But if MZ was scum, why the hell did he kill the only person scummier than him? Why didn't Denny also vote for Budski to gain favour?
However if MZ's not scum, who is? Twinkie? It seems overwhelmingly likely there is a doctor in this game and if there is it's Twinkie.

Maybe, then, MZ was trying to frame someone else, since it seems so counter-intuitive that he'd kill Oblivion.
I still want to hear from him. Who's his suspect?

Something just popped into my head: Is it possible there's a SK? Instead of scum. Not really an option I'm considering, but it's an interesting hypothetical none the less.
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Re: Boy Band Mafia Day 4

Post by Feral_Punctuation » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:52 pm

Oh, Vote MZ. He's the only candidate.
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