Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post Reply
Coito ergo sum
Posts: 32040
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 pm
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:16 pm

Martok wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Of course it is a matter of opinion. 20 years ago, there was no equivalency made between the Confederate flag and the Nazi flag, or at least hardly anyone did. What the flags symbolize - what anything symbolizes - is a matter of opinion. What else can it be? Empirical fact?
What utter nonsense.
Every symbol's meaning is a matter of opinion. Many people think the Islamic crescent represents peace, many others think it represents hatred.
Martok wrote:

Both flags represent racism, and bondage to the Nth degree.
Some people say the confederate flag represents slavery and the defense of slavery, but the Nazi flag represents anti-semitism and fascism.
Martok wrote:
Two wars were fought to destroy what those flags represent.
Sure, but that doesn't mean they necessarily represent the same thing.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:21 pm

Hate to spoil the party, but neither is "100%" anything.
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

Coito ergo sum
Posts: 32040
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 pm
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:27 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Hate to spoil the party, but neither is "100%" anything.
Not a bad observation.

Martok
Posts: 512
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:18 am
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Martok » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:28 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Some people say the confederate flag represents slavery and the defense of slavery,
Only those who live in denial would argue the confederate flag represents anything other than slavery.

Martok
Posts: 512
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:18 am
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Martok » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:29 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Hate to spoil the party, but neither is "100%" anything.
Not a bad observation.
No, its a very bad observation.

Martok
Posts: 512
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:18 am
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Martok » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:33 pm

As the sesquicentennial of Fort Sumter approaches in 2011, the enduring problem for neo-Confederates endures: anyone who seeks an Edenic Southern past in which the war was principally about states’ rights and not slavery is searching in vain, for the Confederacy and slavery are inextricably and forever linked.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/opini ... acham.html

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:35 pm

Martok wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Hate to spoil the party, but neither is "100%" anything.
Not a bad observation.
No, its a very bad observation.
It's not a bad observation. Its an accurate observation. Without bias it's easier to see both sides of the issue.
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Xamonas Chegwé
Bouncer
Bouncer
Posts: 50939
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:23 pm
About me: I have prehensile eyebrows.
I speak 9 languages fluently, one of which other people can also speak.
When backed into a corner, I fit perfectly - having a right-angled arse.
Location: Nottingham UK
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:51 pm

Affording any symbol importance by banning it merely adds weight to it. Mel Brooks has done more to break the power of the swastika than the laws forbidding its display in Germany ever could. :tea:
A book is a version of the world. If you do not like it, ignore it; or offer your own version in return.
Salman Rushdie
You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic.
House MD
Who needs a meaning anyway, I'd settle anyday for a very fine view.
Sandy Denny
This is the wrong forum for bluffing :nono:
Paco
Yes, yes. But first I need to show you this venomous fish!
Calilasseia
I think we should do whatever Pawiz wants.
Twoflower
Bella squats momentarily then waddles on still peeing, like a horse
Millefleur

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:58 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Affording any symbol importance by banning it merely adds weight to it. Mel Brooks has done more to break the power of the swastika than the laws forbidding its display in Germany ever could. :tea:
The American flag, the British flag, the French flag, and others, have just as negative connotations to some people as either of those. We all know they not so "black and white" as some would have us believe. Same thing with the "Stars and Bars". Most Rebs were not slave owners and were not fighting to keep the institution of slavery. They were fighting because their homes had be invaded. Invaded first by a power they didn't respect, the Federal Government. Then by the Federal armies.
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Xamonas Chegwé
Bouncer
Bouncer
Posts: 50939
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:23 pm
About me: I have prehensile eyebrows.
I speak 9 languages fluently, one of which other people can also speak.
When backed into a corner, I fit perfectly - having a right-angled arse.
Location: Nottingham UK
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:15 am

Gawdzilla wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Affording any symbol importance by banning it merely adds weight to it. Mel Brooks has done more to break the power of the swastika than the laws forbidding its display in Germany ever could. :tea:
The American flag, the British flag, the French flag, and others, have just as negative connotations to some people as either of those. We all know they not so "black and white" as some would have us believe. Same thing with the "Stars and Bars". Most Rebs were not slave owners and were not fighting to keep the institution of slavery. They were fighting because their homes had be invaded. Invaded first by a power they didn't respect, the Federal Government. Then by the Federal armies.
Actually, most of them - and most of the yankees - were fighting because they were told to. :tea:
A book is a version of the world. If you do not like it, ignore it; or offer your own version in return.
Salman Rushdie
You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic.
House MD
Who needs a meaning anyway, I'd settle anyday for a very fine view.
Sandy Denny
This is the wrong forum for bluffing :nono:
Paco
Yes, yes. But first I need to show you this venomous fish!
Calilasseia
I think we should do whatever Pawiz wants.
Twoflower
Bella squats momentarily then waddles on still peeing, like a horse
Millefleur

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:21 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Affording any symbol importance by banning it merely adds weight to it. Mel Brooks has done more to break the power of the swastika than the laws forbidding its display in Germany ever could. :tea:
The American flag, the British flag, the French flag, and others, have just as negative connotations to some people as either of those. We all know they not so "black and white" as some would have us believe. Same thing with the "Stars and Bars". Most Rebs were not slave owners and were not fighting to keep the institution of slavery. They were fighting because their homes had be invaded. Invaded first by a power they didn't respect, the Federal Government. Then by the Federal armies.
Actually, most of them - and most of the yankees - were fighting because they were told to. :tea:
Men on both sides were drafted or volunteered. You can put men into uniform with a draft, but they won't be a fighting force unless they want to be.
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Xamonas Chegwé
Bouncer
Bouncer
Posts: 50939
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:23 pm
About me: I have prehensile eyebrows.
I speak 9 languages fluently, one of which other people can also speak.
When backed into a corner, I fit perfectly - having a right-angled arse.
Location: Nottingham UK
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:06 am

Gawdzilla wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Affording any symbol importance by banning it merely adds weight to it. Mel Brooks has done more to break the power of the swastika than the laws forbidding its display in Germany ever could. :tea:
The American flag, the British flag, the French flag, and others, have just as negative connotations to some people as either of those. We all know they not so "black and white" as some would have us believe. Same thing with the "Stars and Bars". Most Rebs were not slave owners and were not fighting to keep the institution of slavery. They were fighting because their homes had be invaded. Invaded first by a power they didn't respect, the Federal Government. Then by the Federal armies.
Actually, most of them - and most of the yankees - were fighting because they were told to. :tea:
Men on both sides were drafted or volunteered. You can put men into uniform with a draft, but they won't be a fighting force unless they want to be.
They usually 'want to be' when there is somebody the other side of the field shooting at them and an officer behind ready to do the same if they turn and run!
A book is a version of the world. If you do not like it, ignore it; or offer your own version in return.
Salman Rushdie
You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic.
House MD
Who needs a meaning anyway, I'd settle anyday for a very fine view.
Sandy Denny
This is the wrong forum for bluffing :nono:
Paco
Yes, yes. But first I need to show you this venomous fish!
Calilasseia
I think we should do whatever Pawiz wants.
Twoflower
Bella squats momentarily then waddles on still peeing, like a horse
Millefleur

Martok
Posts: 512
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:18 am
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Martok » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:29 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote: Actually, most of them - and most of the yankees - were fighting because they were told to. :tea:
Not really. Union soldiers had a chance to end the war by voting for George McClellan during the presidential election of 1864. Instead, they overwhelmingly voted for Lincoln.

User avatar
charlou
arseist
Posts: 32530
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:36 am

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by charlou » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:34 am

owtth wrote:I'm less concerned about the uniform than I am over the fact that people still join fraternities :coffee:
It's so much tribalistic crap.
no fences

Martok
Posts: 512
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:18 am
Contact:

Re: Fraternity Bans the Wearing of Confederate Uniforms

Post by Martok » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:38 am

Gawdzilla wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Affording any symbol importance by banning it merely adds weight to it. Mel Brooks has done more to break the power of the swastika than the laws forbidding its display in Germany ever could. :tea:
The American flag, the British flag, the French flag, and others, have just as negative connotations to some people as either of those. We all know they not so "black and white" as some would have us believe. Same thing with the "Stars and Bars". Most Rebs were not slave owners and were not fighting to keep the institution of slavery. They were fighting because their homes had be invaded. Invaded first by a power they didn't respect, the Federal Government. Then by the Federal armies.
The rebs were traitors. They were fighting to not only preserve slavery but to see it expand into the western territories. Slavery was the #1 reason for the Civil War. Trying to masquerade it with minor issues like states rights is just an attempt to deny history.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 27 guests