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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by Cunt » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:40 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
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Oh stop it. Everyone should support Ukraine. If I could I'd flip a switch to fry Putin and his cronies today --no question the world will be better off.
What do you know about the reported 'far-right' and 'nazi' groups, from before this current wave of media attention?

I've read that thousands of dead Ukrainians were pretty much outside the public eye, in the years between 2014 and 2020. Does that play in?

Or should we just look up what the Friends Of Disney say, and take it as gospel?
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:46 pm

All that the useful idiots tell me. Of course even they are quick to denounce the invasion. So what about them nazis, not enough to justify an invasion, but good enough to withhold support for the invaded?

That's a major malfunction for sure...
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:48 pm

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Calling me a 'girl' is fine. Some of the best people I know are girls.

What are you trying to accomplish? Make me believe your position is firm?

Done! You are right about everything, especially when you change your avatar like everyone else in the corporate-media-approved 'resistance'.
Meh. I don't need some external power to validate my moral outlook. I just think that invading a country and strafing fleeing civilians from the air is wrong, but I guess my views aren't as nuanced or as pragmatic as yours. No doubt you'd take a more balanced view than me if the tanks rolled into your town and started opening fire on the hospitals, schools, and churches.

Carry on chiding me for only seeing this in binary terms if it helps. I hope you find the middle-ground you're looking for. :tea:
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by Cunt » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:51 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:46 pm
All that the useful idiots tell me. Of course even they are quick to denounce the invasion. So what about them nazis, not enough to justify an invasion, but good enough to withhold support for the invaded?

That's a major malfunction for sure...
There is something very fucked up in the way this is reported. It's why I have tried to read alternate sources (alternate to the Friends Of Disney) but about the only news I really trust is the strava posts, showing where and when people are working out (running or biking, anyway)

I understand it might be spoofed, but so can everything. 'Pavlo did a run' is a story I can appreciate, and reminds me of the humans involved, as opposed to the grand stories being spun.

Especially when those stories rely on starting the narrative in the very recent past.
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by JimC » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:43 pm

Shock horror!

An independent, democratic European state has some right-wing citizens!

Invade them!

(someone tell the rest of the EU to liquidate all their right-wingers pretty damn quick...)
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Post by Hermit » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:43 am

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Shock horror!

An independent, democratic European state has some right-wing citizens!

Invade them!

(someone tell the rest of the EU to liquidate all their right-wingers pretty damn quick...)
Significant collaboration between Ukrainian locals and their Nazi occupiers in the effort to murder Jews is well documented, but that was more than 8 decades ago. While Nazi elements continue to exist in Ukraine, there is something odd about Putin's expressed intention to liberate a nation, whose president is a Jew, from Nazi oppression. Zelenskyy won 73% of the vote in the 2019 elections. Not exactly a sign of contemporary Nazi influence, let alone oppression, in that country.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:46 am

He's a self hating Jew.

And a commie.
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine again?

Post by JimC » Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:02 am

Hermit wrote:
Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:43 am
JimC wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:43 pm
Shock horror!

An independent, democratic European state has some right-wing citizens!

Invade them!

(someone tell the rest of the EU to liquidate all their right-wingers pretty damn quick...)
Significant collaboration between Ukrainian locals and their Nazi occupiers in the effort to murder Jews is well documented, but that was more than 8 decades ago. While Nazi elements continue to exist in Ukraine, there is something odd about Putin's expressed intention to liberate a nation, whose president is a Jew, from Nazi oppression. Zelenskyy won 73% of the vote in the 2019 elections. Not exactly a sign of contemporary Nazi influence, let alone oppression, in that country.
Hungary, France, Germany, etc. etc...

But as in the Ukraine, not exactly poised to institute the 4th Reich... :tea:
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Post by Cunt » Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:21 am

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He's a self hating Jew.

And a commie.
Silly, but no crazier than any of the other going stories.

The Azov channel on telegram was taken over by the Russian military.

Or the story being sold there, tries to make it look that way.

Video's of battles, explosions and raids are interesting, but don't really tell me much aside from what can be guessed from the fog of war.



More info I don't know how to vet, showed up. I'll share it in case you are interested, but I don't know that it is true, or false. It's as legit as anything on twitter, I guess.

It seems to be an anti-Ukraine perspective, but I almost don't even stand firmly on that. Post by 'Defenders of Donbass' (this post seems to be forwarded from the Azov Battallion channel, which has been supposedly taken over)

https://t.me/svobodadonbass/1663
If you believe there is no neo-Nazism in Ukraine, read this. You may find this information useful.

Stepan Bandera was the creator of the theory of the Ukrainian National Revolution, which advocates for the elimination of political and ethnic enemies of the state.
46 monuments have been created in Ukraine for this Nazi collaborator and war criminal, and dozens of streets are named in his honor. Six museums have been dedicated to him, and an annual torchlight procession is held in memory of him in Ukraine.

Roman Shukhevich was another Nazi collaborator and war criminal, who entered Lviv (Polish territory) and proclaimed the Ukrainian state, and then proceeded to liquidate the chairman of the Polish intelligentsia.

By the order of Shukhevich, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army began the Volyn Massacre in which more than 40 thousand Poles, mainly women, children and elderly, were genocided.

Shukhevich has 36 streets and avenues, 16 monuments and busts,and a stadium named after him.
He was also given the title of HERO OF UKRAINE.

Zelensky distributed weapons to more than 20,000 citizens, who are now robbing and looting, and the Ukrainian authorities and ordinary civilians tie people to poles naked on the streets.

In 2014, there was a revolution centered around overthrowing the democratically elected president of Ukraine. In Odessa, people in the house of trade unions were burned alive. After they exiled, imprisoned or killed all opposition, they held an illegal election where Poroshenko was elected, while a legitimate election was held in Donbass and they voted to seperate. Poroshenko responded to this by bombing the people of Donbass for 8 years, and this is why the Russian Federation began its military operation in Ukraine to overthrow this illegal, criminal Kiev regime.

In news I have slightly more trust in...

Same dude runs west every day, same 11km+ route, faster than 5:00 min/km. West across the river, probably his Kyiv daily commute. To me, he seems to be doing a large volume of very solid workouts, so maybe I would find his name in some race rosters.

I hope he keeps doing it. I'd really like to see his regular runs keep going.
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Post by Hermit » Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:44 am

Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevich were politically on the extreme right, and they were war criminals, but that is not why streets were named after them and honoured in other ways. They are remembered in those ways because they were tireless fighters for Ukraine's existence as a sovereign nation in much the same way Robert E. Lee is revered by many denizens of the former US confederation for fighting for the South moreso than for the right to own slaves.
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Post by Tero » Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:44 am

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Vyacheslav Trubnikov, ex-head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service and ambassador to India, died on April 18 at the age of 77, the Russian state-run TASS news agency reported. The cause of death is unknown.
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