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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:04 am

I agree. I think the best approach (in Australia) is a higher medicare levy - which is the amount you pay each year for universal health care - for those not vaccinated without good reason.
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Post by Svartalf » Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:18 am

In case you never noticed, it's fully compatible with human rights to make vaccination mandatory against this or that. I'd say everybody's right to life trumps some morons' right not to like jabs.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:20 am

Svartalf wrote:
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In case you never noticed, it's fully compatible with human rights to make vaccination mandatory against this or that.
Any proof or examples of that?
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:20 am

While partially agreeing you Svarty would find it hard in a court of law.
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Post by Svartalf » Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:28 am

So, it's legal to make vaccines mandatory for babies, but not for grownups?
Get me legal precedent stating that mandatory vaccination IS contrary to human rights and I'll take y'all seriously.
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Re: Vaccination: mandated and/or incentivised

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:39 am

Svartalf wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:28 am
So, it's legal to make vaccines mandatory for babies, but not for grownups?
Get me legal precedent stating that mandatory vaccination IS contrary to human rights and I'll take y'all seriously.
I think in the past it was possible but these days. It is an argument used by the anti-vaxxers here and also a threat to go to court.
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Post by JimC » Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:40 am

Mandatory vaccination is always a conditional process. With childhood vaccinations, it is often not that parents are forced to vaccinate their babies, but that they cannot access various forms of child care/kindergarten if they don't. The same may become true for covid vaccination - no one will hold you down and jab you against your will, but if you choose not to, then there are places/events that you will not be able to attend...
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Re: Vaccination: mandated and/or incentivised

Post by Svartalf » Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:14 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:39 am
Svartalf wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:28 am
So, it's legal to make vaccines mandatory for babies, but not for grownups?
Get me legal precedent stating that mandatory vaccination IS contrary to human rights and I'll take y'all seriously.
I think in the past it was possible but these days. It is an argument used by the anti-vaxxers here and also a threat to go to court.
I'm still waiting for a court to render a decision supporting the antivaxxers against the Law of the Land.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:33 am

Are baby vaccinations mandatory?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:36 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:Human rights Brian. Cant be done.
Which human rights Scot?
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:49 am

Access to national healthcare?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:03 pm

pErvinalia wrote:Access to national healthcare?
Doesn't a medicare levy suffer from the same problem?
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Re: Vaccination: mandated and/or incentivised

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:14 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Scot Dutchy wrote:Human rights Brian. Cant be done.
Which human rights Scot?
Well basic human rights of not being allowed to discriminate against any person for any reason.

Article 1 of our constitution.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:41 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
pErvinalia wrote:Access to national healthcare?
Doesn't a medicare levy suffer from the same problem?
No, as it's dependent on your income (i.e. your ability to pay).
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Re: Vaccination: mandated and/or incentivised

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:47 pm

So only middle income and wealthier anti-vaxxers will pay an additional levy?
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