The Coronavirus Thread

[NineBerry]

BTW

There are 3 possibilities with this virus:
1. It was lab-created and deliberately released
2. It was lab-created but accidentally escaped
3. It was a zoonotic bat virus via Wuhan wet markets.

The scientific community world-wide is firmly behind #3...

4. It was extracted from an animal and studied in a lab in order to be prepared for future epidemics of such viruses, and then escaped accidentally.

[Cunt]

No.

Are you aware of any 'stealth edits' by news orgs scrambling to cover their support of shitty opinions on science, and the virus origins?

[Cunt]

They almost never admit it. I mean, Tero did, but very few others had the class, or conviction.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/r ... y-n1449427

They will never admit it, but the media and the left turned a reasonable hypothesis into a conspiracy theory almost overnight. In truth, there were some on the right advancing hysterical theories of a “bio-weapon,” but few serious writers ever posited the notion that the coronavirus was a deliberate attack.

But turning the theory into a “conspiracy theory” and all the baggage that term brings to the discussion was done because it was a useful political club to discredit Donald Trump and his supporters. Admittedly, the lab-leak theory is based on a lot of circumstantial evidence. But so is the animal-to-human theory of transmission. The key to understanding the media’s hysterical pushback against the lab-leak theory is in the burning desire to see Donald Trump — and his supporters — dismissed as kooks and crazies.

[Brian Peacock]

As I've mentioned elsewhere recently, you are confusing me with someone who relies on 'the media' as their primary source of information. I qualified my remarks earlier and so won't repeat myself here, but please read back and feel free to ask questions about anything you're unclear about.

What do you think of facebook whistleblowers and what they revealed to Project Veritas about the censorship of vaccine information on that platform?

I don't know anything about it other that what you've just posted here from Project Veritits. And I'm still wondering what it had to do with my earlier comments you responded to - but I guess we'll never find out now. No matter. If I were to take PV as a reliable source I'd be a fool, given their track record - so at the moment I'm mostly "Meh" about it.

So you won't go look into it, but will dismiss them. As I expected.

Read what I wrote.

[pErvinalia]

Be complicit if you want, but a complicity theorist is just as stupid as a conspiracy theorist.

What's a complicity theorist, other than your latest rightwing buzz word?

[pErvinalia]

The steady lies about zootropic origins, suddenly countered by facts, doesn't matter.

What lies about zootropic [sic] origins, and what facts countering them?

[pErvinalia]

They almost never admit it. I mean, Tero did, but very few others had the class, or conviction.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/r ... y-n1449427

They will never admit it, but the media and the left turned a reasonable hypothesis into a conspiracy theory almost overnight. In truth, there were some on the right advancing hysterical theories of a “bio-weapon,” but few serious writers ever posited the notion that the coronavirus was a deliberate attack.

But turning the theory into a “conspiracy theory” and all the baggage that term brings to the discussion was done because it was a useful political club to discredit Donald Trump and his supporters. Admittedly, the lab-leak theory is based on a lot of circumstantial evidence. But so is the animal-to-human theory of transmission. The key to understanding the media’s hysterical pushback against the lab-leak theory is in the burning desire to see Donald Trump — and his supporters — dismissed as kooks and crazies.

Please provide an example of it being treated like a conspiracy theory. I certainly haven't seen that. And of course, I doubt you have either.

[JimC]

Another 5 local cases in Melbourne. We are meant to go on our driving holiday to Queensland in less than 4 weeks. I hope that there are no border closures by then...

[Scot Dutchy]

Once again Covid data is questioned:

‘Unnecessary secrecy’: 42 NHS trusts criticised over Covid deaths data

Patients and doctors groups react to failure to provide figures on hospital-acquired infections and deaths in England

Hospitals have been accused of “unnecessary secrecy” for refusing to disclose how many of their patients died after catching Covid on their wards.

The Patients Association, doctors’ leaders and the campaign group Transparency International have criticised the 42 NHS acute trusts in England that did not comply fully with freedom of information request for hospital-acquired Covid infections and deaths.

The Guardian revealed on Monday that up to 8,700 patients lost their lives after probably or definitely becoming infected during the pandemic while in hospital for surgery or other treatment. That was based on responses from 81 of the 126 trusts from which it sought figures.

The British Medical Association, the main doctors’ trade union, said the 42 trusts that did not reveal how many such deaths had occurred in their hospitals were denying the bereaved crucial information.

“No one should come into hospital with one condition, only to be made incredibly ill with, or even die from, a dangerous infectious disease,” Dr Rob Harwood, chair of the BMA’s hospital consultants committee, said.

“Families, including those of our own colleagues who died fighting this virus on the frontline, deserve answers. We will only get that if there is full transparency.

“This shouldn’t be about blaming individual trusts, but preventing a catastrophe on the scale we saw over the last year ever being allowed to happen again. It’s vital if we’re to learn from the tragic events that unfolded over the last year that all facts and evidence are laid out transparently.”

No all the data is accurate.

[Scot Dutchy]

Another 5 local cases in Melbourne. We are meant to go on our driving holiday to Queensland in less than 4 weeks. I hope that there are no border closures by then...

Nothing up there anyway Jim. I would not make the effort. I have been there. Apart from getting pissed out of your mind after a very average meal there is not much to do or maybe you have insider information.

[pErvinalia]

NEWSFLASH: Scot hates something!

[JimC]

But yet again, Scot, it suggests that the true figures for covid cases and deaths are higher than official figures; most experts think the current overall world figures are a big underestimate...

And in the case you quoted, people aren't throwing their hands up in the air and saying that it's all too hard, no data can be trusted. It seems that they have identified a reporting flaw, and hopefully there will now be pressure on the relevant hospital authorities to release the information...

[Joe]

Be complicit if you want, but a complicity theorist is just as stupid as a conspiracy theorist.

What's a complicity theorist, other than your latest rightwing buzz word?

It's from a tweet naturally. Of course, the clever fellow who dreamed this up didn't appear to know the term complicity theory is already in use.

Complicity theory draws on critical race theory and cultural studies to explore how discourse in opposition to certain groups contributes to the negative social construction of difference as well as identity. Grounded in the theory of the opposite party attributed to the ancient Greek Sophist Thrasymachus of Chalcedon, complicity theory begins with the idea that individuals or groups that are at odds fail to see how their positions are implicated in each other’s and applies this observation to contemporary conflicts that center on issues of race, gender, class, and classification.

Complicity theory takes the notion that language creates reality to its logical extreme by suggesting that a language of argument and persuasion that rests on rigid definitions of self and other actually cultivates an understanding of difference as fundamentally negative. This account questions the underlying assumption of much Western communication theory that argument and persuasion are “natural” forms of human symbolic interaction.

So when our member from Yellowknife uses the term, he is ignorantly parroting some twat too ignorant to use Google.

[Scot Dutchy]

But yet again, Scot, it suggests that the true figures for covid cases and deaths are higher than official figures; most experts think the current overall world figures are a big underestimate...

And in the case you quoted, people aren't throwing their hands up in the air and saying that it's all too hard, no data can be trusted. It seems that they have identified a reporting flaw, and hopefully there will now be pressure on the relevant hospital authorities to release the information...

Jim we dont have a clue about global figures. When countries have not got a clue who lives in the country any data is meaningless.

[JimC]

But yet again, Scot, it suggests that the true figures for covid cases and deaths are higher than official figures; most experts think the current overall world figures are a big underestimate...

And in the case you quoted, people aren't throwing their hands up in the air and saying that it's all too hard, no data can be trusted. It seems that they have identified a reporting flaw, and hopefully there will now be pressure on the relevant hospital authorities to release the information...

Jim we dont have a clue about global figures. When countries have not got a clue who lives in the country any data is meaningless.

In saying "we don't have a clue about global figures", do you think that the actual figures are higher or lower than the official figures?