AmeriKKKa

[Cunt]

Who told you they were presenting 'equal opportunity'?

That's been a lie as long as I've been hearing it...

Is the pareto distribution upsetting? Or is it something we have to understand, and consider when seeing disparate outcomes?

[Sean Hayden]

I'm not sure what you think is a lie. It sounds cynical to me.

I consider money given to support education and training to be just one example of the practical side of bothering with equal opportunity. There are many other examples.

[Seabass]

If you examine a racially homogenous population, you would still find plenty of different outcomes.

So that difference clearly is NOT racist.

What a stupid remark. If you examine a population that has no women, you'll find no sexism. Yeah, no shit. What the hell's your point? We shouldn't do anything about racism because some white people are richer or poorer than others? People like you, aka conservatives, are what's wrong with the world.

[Seabass]

Mostly, in rambles into racism, which is quite uninteresting.

In other words, you're a conservative, and friend of racists everywhere.

[Seabass]

Whichever race I can think of, they have all the same rights in the US.

This means fuck all, but your pea-brain can't comprehend that systemic racism can still exist in a country even after the passage of civil rights laws.

Here's a book about how our racist system of "justice" targets and decimates black communities. Reading this book would help you better understand how there is still systemic racism in the US, which would in turn help you understand how to address it. I would suggest you read it, but I'm sure you would find it "uninteresting" and instead just go watch a stupid Stephen Crowder video and think you've learned something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow

[Seabass]

So you claim your people are racist. OK, what's the point? I think they ALL are

Bullshit. This is just some bullshit that racists say to excuse their own racism.

[Seabass]

The usual path is 'find inequity, blame racism, rage and propose racism to change it'.

No it isn't. That's just an idea that exists in your head. Probably something you heard Stephen Crowder say.

[JimC]

Getting back to 2 parent vs one parent families, forgetting about all the moral hysteria, there is a very pragmatic point of advantage for 2 parent families, especially if both are strongly involved in parenting of young children. Simply, it is a lot fucking easier! Someone is cooking the dinner, while the other can be bathing children, etc.etc.etc...

[Joe]

Getting back to 2 parent vs one parent families, forgetting about all the moral hysteria, there is a very pragmatic point of advantage for 2 parent families, especially if both are strongly involved in parenting of young children. Simply, it is a lot fucking easier! Someone is cooking the dinner, while the other can be bathing children, etc.etc.etc...

As Mrs. Joe and I used to say when our kids were little, four hands are better than two.

[pErvinalia]

Whichever race I can think of, they have all the same rights in the US.

Yet there's still serious racism in the US.

[Hermit]

If you examine a racially homogenous population, you would still find plenty of different outcomes.

So that difference clearly is NOT racist.

Yes, if you examine a racially homogenous population, you would find plenty of different outcomes within it. I agreed with that repeatedly, starting here. I mentioned black American billionaires and white American billionaires, black child poverty and white child poverty. In my following post I also mentioned black unemployment and white unemployment. These differences clearly, undeniably exist within each "racially" homogenous population.

But here is the rub:

Black families earn far less than white families and all families nationwide



Black unemployment is consistently almost double white unemployment across time.



Black child poverty rates are regularly triple white rates



White families own nearly ten times the wealth of black families



The wealth discrepancy between blacks and whites is particularly noticeable among American billionaires. One in 7.7 Americans are black. If all things were equal one would expect 7.7 of all American billionaires to be black. It turns out, however, that only one in 87.7 of American billionaires are black.


Now looking at single parents: There is no doubt that children growing up in a single parent environment. I agreed with you here that yes, going by all criteria with which better outcomes are conventionally measured, growing up in a 2 parent household make for better ones than in a 1 parent household. Where we disagree is that you assert single parent households account for the differences in poverty, income and wealth between blacks and whites. There are two problems with your assertion.

One problem is that 2 parent Caucasian households are better off than 2 parent Afro-American households and 1 parent Caucasian households are better off than 1 parent Afro-American households, so the general observation that a 2 parent household vs 1 parent makes for better outcomes does not support the notion that racism is an insignificant, let alone a non-existent factor.

Another problem is the changing ratio of single parenthood between blacks and whites. It has shrunk a lot. In 1970 there were 6.6 black single mother households for every white one. In 2008 there were only 2. If the sole determinant of poverty, income and wealth were the number of parents in a household one would have to expect a corresponding shrinkage of those gaps. It has not happened.

Conclusion: While races do not exist, racism does.

[Cunt]

I didn't mean to suggest that fatherlessness was the only factor, or most important.

Thing about all that info is, you are tugging at the 'equity' end. Can anyone out-wrestle a pareto distribution...?

So what do you think ought to be done?

[JimC]

Thing about all that info is, you are tugging at the 'equity' end. Can anyone out-wrestle a pareto distribution...?

Did you do a special degree in gobbledegook?

[pErvinalia]

Blacks are in the global 1%, so they are actually rich. Poverty is invented by the alt-laft.

[JimC]

Getting back to Hermit's useful set of stats, US racists may not even dispute the figures, but ('m sure) would argue that is simply because, on average, black people are less intelligent and capable than whites.