AmeriKKKa

[L'Emmerdeur]

The deceased Justice Antonin Scalia pointed to* one of these brothers as an example of somebody whose killing by the state would be 'righteous and appropriate.'

'Jury awards wrongfully convicted NC brothers $75 million in federal civil rights case'

Henry McCollum and Leon Brown spent nearly 31 years in prison for a brutal crime they did not commit — one they were convicted of on the basis of confessions that they insisted, for decades, had been coerced.

In a federal courtroom in Raleigh late Friday afternoon, after nearly five hours of deliberation, a jury delivered the half brothers a sense of long-awaited justice.

An eight-person jury awarded McCollum and Brown $31 million each in compensatory damages — $1 million for every year they spent in prison after they were wrongfully convicted, twice, of the 1983 rape and murder of an 11-year-old girl in Red Springs. McCollum and Brown, both intellectually-disabled with IQs in the 50s, were teenagers when they were charged after they signed confessions they insisted they didn’t understand.

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... Henry Lee McCollum [was] sentenced to death for the 1983 rape and murder of an 11-year-old girl in North Carolina. In 1993, Justice Antonin Scalia cited McCollum as a poster child for why the death penalty is justified. Compared to what McCollum had done to the girl, Scalia wrote, how enviable a quiet death by lethal injection.

Last year, McCollum was exonerated and released from prison after 30 years. DNA at the crime scene that had never been tested matched to a man in the same neighborhood who had been convicted of a similar crime.

[source]

[Svartalf]

What, are you insinuating that such a giant among legal minds might have formed opinions about cases without properly making sure of the facts?

and would Brown be the other local man in the Mc Collum case?

[Scot Dutchy]

Its AmeriKKKa.

[L'Emmerdeur]

Welp --

More black children were in two parent households in slavery than today. No one ever talks about this.

I would imagine Jim Crow was a worse time for racism than 2021 and yet the number of black kids who grew up with both parents in the home was substantially higher than the number today. Not sure how racism is the cause for the lack of 2 parent households

- Pls Don't @ Me or Quote Me · May 12, 2021

- Barrington Martin II · May 12, 2021

Barrington Martin II goes on to point to Sowell and others of similar predilections in support.

[Cunt]

Does being in a 2 parent household vs 1 parent make for better outcomes?

Independent of colour, I mean.

[Hermit]

Does being in a 2 parent household vs 1 parent make for better outcomes?

Independent of colour, I mean.

Going by all criteria with which 'better outcomes' are conventionally measured, the answer is a definite YES.

That said, 2 parent Caucasian households are better off than 2 parent Afro-American households and 1 parent Caucasian households are better off than 1 parent Afro-American households, so the general observation that a 2 parent household vs 1 parent makes for better outcomes does not support the notion that racism is an insignificant, let alone a non-existent factor.

You seem to have forgotten that we've discussed this issue a couple of months ago, so here it is again:

Black people in America' includes everyone from the wealthy elite, to the poorest of the poor.

Yes, and when you include all of them, black unemployment has been double the rate of white unemployment for decades, the average family income among blacks was close to half that of non-Hispanic whites, black child poverty rates are triple the white child poverty rates and white families own nearly ten times the wealth of black families. The difference matters. Racism exists, black president and black billionaires notwithstanding.

And even among the latter, there are unmissable statistical discrepancies One in 7.7 Americans are black. One in 87.7 of American billionaires are black. The discrepancy does not end there. On average black American billionaires are nowhere near as rich as white American billionaires and the net worth of the richest white American billionaire is 38 times the size of that of the richest black American billionaire.

Statistics matter, and they are evidence that racism exists even though races don't.

Black people in America' includes everyone from the wealthy elite, to the poorest of the poor.

Yes, and when you include all of them, black unemployment has been double the rate of white unemployment for decades

As I understand it, black unemployment improved under Trump, and is going back into the toilet under Biden.

Does that mean one of them is a racist?

When unemployment rates fell, they fell more for whites than for blacks. The employment gap between them actually increased.
At 5.3 percentage points, the gap is now the widest since May 2015

Statistics matter, and they are evidence that racism exists even though races don't.

I bet you keep focusing on race, rather than fatherlessness.

There is no doubt that fatherlessness has economic consequences, but in order to show that the economic differences between blacks and whites is due to it you'd have to show that the wealth of black families being one tenth that of white families you'd have to show a proportional difference of fatherlessnees between those population groups. There is a difference. I leave it to you to find the figures and show us how fatherless children are a greater influence on economic inequality between black and white families than racism at large. It appears to be your claim after all. It is up to you to substantiate it.

In your next post you wrote that you don't care to.

[Cunt]

I didn't read most of yours. I know that racism is the current push by the propagandists, so ignore most of it.

There are always inequalities, but pushing for equity is always stoopid.

There isn't equity among any group. If I drew a line down a group of brothers, you would find that half of them do better than the other half.

Trees, brothers or people, anyone expecting 'equity' clearly doesn't appreciate diversity. The outcomes aren't enough to illustrate what the real problem is.

Screaming racism is one answer, but it seems to exclude the voices of P.O.C. like Sowell, Owens or Hodge and Hodge.

[Hermit]

I didn't read most of yours.

Colour me surprised for saying that.

[Cunt]

Mostly, in rambles into racism, which is quite uninteresting.

Were you suggesting some equity?

Or just doing the corporate media thing?

You seem to see only colour, when you want to see differences, so tell me if your favourite race (or colour) is doing better than in the US?

Whichever race I can think of, they have all the same rights in the US.

I know you want to focus on outcomes (equality is the shit-idea of collectivist hogwash) but really, if the laws treat everyone the same, what more do you think should be done?

As a person of colour, and a person overly oppositional to racist shit, why don't you tell me what you think would work?

Unless of course, your 'solution' only works for people of one colour...

[Hermit]

Were you suggesting some equity?

Or just doing the corporate media thing?

Neither. I just mentioned that while 2 parent Caucasian households are better off than 2 parent Afro-American households and 1 parent Caucasian households are better off than 1 parent Afro-American households, the general observation that a 2 parent household vs 1 parent makes for better outcomes does not support the notion that racism is an insignificant, let alone a non-existent factor.

In short, racism exists even though races don't.

[Cunt]

So you claim your people are racist. OK, what's the point? I think they ALL are, and raging about it does little to identify, or correct this to anyone's satisfaction.

Racism exists and corrodes potential. I have no problem seeing that. Where we disagree, I think, is looking at outcomes and expecting equity.

Is any group showing up in the bottom ranks of outcomes deserving of our attention? Or is this only about colour?

[Sean Hayden]

I hear you Cunt. But seriously, all men were declared equal nearly a hundred years before the Civil War, and before that you had things like the Fugutive Slave Act which mandated that escaped slaves be returned to their "owners", even if they were in a free state, and all while "all men are created equal".

We've talked about this before. The disparity between our stated ideals and what actually happens has always driven civil rights movements here.

[Hermit]

Where we disagree, I think, is looking at outcomes and expecting equity.

Outcomes would take care of themselves if people were treated equally, regardless of skin colour or whatever else supposedly differentiates one alleged race from another. It's not happening. At least not to the extent it should.

[Cunt]

I hear you Cunt. But seriously, all men were declared equal nearly a hundred years before the Civil War, and before that you had things like the Fugutive Slave Act which mandated that escaped slaves be returned to their "owners", even if they were in a free state, and all while "all men are created equal".

We've talked about this before. The disparity between our stated ideals and what actually happens has always driven civil rights movements here.

Stated ideals are what is on trial though.

Individuals are racist, or practice racial choice, or whatever you call it, so it IS the systems under scrutiny.

So while I agree lots of people are shitty, I disagree that an analysis showing inequity really helps a lot.

In ANY group, some will rise, some will fall. It's why men and women (or tall and short, or black and white) have different outcomes in almost every measurable activity of living.

Where we disagree, I think, is looking at outcomes and expecting equity.

Outcomes would take care of themselves if people were treated equally, regardless of skin colour or whatever else supposedly differentiates one alleged race from another. It's not happening. At least not to the extent it should.

That sounds ridiculous.

If you examine a racially homogenous population, you would still find plenty of different outcomes.

So that difference clearly is NOT racist.

You still haven't forwarded any idea, either. About what should be done, I mean.

The usual path is 'find inequity, blame racism, rage and propose racism to change it'.

I get that you aren't into the 'usual', but what would you do?

[Sean Hayden]

I disagree that an analysis showing inequity really helps a lot.

In ANY group, some will rise, some will fall. It's why men and women (or tall and short, or black and white) have different outcomes in almost every measurable activity of living.

I think it's very helpful, and yes, in "ANY" group we will see different outcomes, whether it's the group that bothers itself with presenting equal opportunity, or the one that doesn't. So why prefer the one that doesn't over the one that does?