All Things Biden: Is It Over Yet?

[Brian Peacock]

If you think that gang of idiots was doing a 'Coup', you really are a bit easily led.

They didn't have enough of a 'plan' to spend the night in the Capitol.

Diddums.

What Trump did over the months leading up to the 6th and culminating with his incitement on the 6th was what political scientists and historians refer to as an attempted self-coup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup

What his horde of fascist morons did on the 6th was an insurrection. There were some elements within the crowd who appeared to have had the intent to commit acts of terrorism.

I think many of them thought that they'd just stroll in, take the chambers, line up the culprits, and then El Trumpo would swing in (because he said he was definitely going to come with them) with his entourage and say some magic words and the election would have been nullified. Others just thought that whatever happened it's better than democracy. And then there were pipebombers and the ex- and wannabe- military types who scoped the building and coordinated their actions to stretch the thin blue line of the capital police, breach the defenses by force, and lead the mob to where they wanted them to be.

The insurrection's apologists focus on those who were swept up in the emotion of the thing and carried along on the day, as if only they were present, without looking at what they were swept up in or who or what had organised the event and motivated them.

Maybe most of the mob didn't have a clear idea of what was happening or exactly what the outcome would be, but they'd been speeched at and geed up hard for two hours and knew exactly why they had travelled to Washington: they were there to 'stop the steal' and to "take back control of our nation" l, and they were going to have to undergo "trial by combat" and to "fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." The objective of the day from Republican inside the Capitol to supporters and flunkies outside was to overturn the election and maintain Trump as president. That's insurrection.

The insurrection's apologists point to the fact that the mob didn't appear to have a clear plan and that they didn't succeed as evidence that there was no insurrection. That's true. They didn't succeed and Trump didn't get to keep his job. But only an idiot, a liar, or a deluded fanboi would try and maintain that that's not what Trump et al intended and what they assembled and motivated the mob towards. Regardless of their success or failure what other possible outcome could there have been?

It's pretty laughable that Trump is now citing how the constitution has justified his innocence at his impeachment after all that he did to negate the constitution in the run up to the 6th and on the day. Just as an election is only good when he wins, the constitution is only good when it gets him what he wants.

[Brian Peacock]

I guess I see owning a gun as more like owning a car.

Voting is MUCH more important to protect. I don't care who owns what cars, as much as I care who votes. Non-legal votes rob EVERYONE voting. Maybe more than that.

An interesting recent take on voting made me take a step back. He said voting represented a failure, and should be seen as a last resort. If you and I are in a sinking rowboat, we don't need to vote on whether we bail, we agree, and (hopefully) move quickly and as a unit.

When we two (or two million) can't agree that clearly, we have to resort to one party getting their way. Not so great, really.

I'm liking the idea of consensus government more and more (though of course I hate it too)

You see owning a gun as more like owning a car, but you've already said that most people aren't up to the responsibility of owning a gun. And now you're strapping voting rights to both of these things. Why? Is voting like driving down the high street waving a gun out the window to ensure your liberty and protect you from the tyrannical oppression of stop signs?

[Scot Dutchy]

You dont have to register to vote in plenty countries in Europe as this is included in your citizen's registration. We never have to bother to register to vote it happens automatically. Both my wife and I will be voting in the national elections for the Tweede Kamer for the first time. What this has to do with gun rights is beyond me. In a civilised society guns are not required. The USA is beyond the pale when it comes to guns and many other of its society's problems. It should not be referred to as the default option. I could not care what they do with them. All I know is that we in Europe dont need them. I cant see the US ever being without guns as long as the education system remains at the low standard it now is.

[Cunt]

I just meant that if license is needed for less important things, like cars or guns, then it should be clear that it is needed for more important things, like voting.

I get that you guys don't have guns, and think that only your private security, or cops should have them, but some of the world treats their own security as their personal responsibility.

Most people won't take personal responsibility for safety, so hire others to wield guns for them. It doesn't mean they aren't using guns, just that they aren't willing to do the job. They still want guns 'on the job'.

[Scot Dutchy]

The state is responsible for our safety. We dont live in violent society. It quite amazing the view you have of a modern civilised society. It is so alien and is impossible to imagine.

[Hermit]

I just meant that if license is needed for less important things, like cars or guns, then it should be clear that it is needed for more important things, like voting.

Voting does not kill. Also, it is a right for every citizen above the age of 18 in nations with pretensions to being a democracy, not something they need a license for.

I get that you guys don't have guns, and think that only your private security, or cops should have them, but some of the world treats their own security as their personal responsibility.

Most people won't take personal responsibility for safety, so hire others to wield guns for them. It doesn't mean they aren't using guns, just that they aren't willing to do the job. They still want guns 'on the job'.

If the possession of guns were necessary for safety it is puzzling that the murder rate in the USA is five times greater than in Australia.

[Cunt]

The state is responsible for our safety. We dont live in violent society. It quite amazing the view you have of a modern civilised society. It is so alien and is impossible to imagine.

I understand that you live in an old folks home, but some of us live in different environments, with different groups of humans.

Glad your state is doing so well taking responsibility for your safety. Mine does, too, and does a mostly good job.

I do understand people when they say the state isn't doing enough to protect them, and they feel the need to protect themselves. It's hard to see from a city, but try to see it from another perspective occasionally, and note the difference perspective can make.

[Scot Dutchy]

FFS you really are so removed from the reality of modern civil society. I dont live in an "old folks home". I live in an apartment in the centre of the city. When I step outside I never think about my personal safety. I never think about guns. I live in a very civilised society. That is totally beyond you. We have been here before so I will not continue.

[Cunt]

FFS you really are so removed from the reality of modern civil society. I dont live in an "old folks home". I live in an apartment in the centre of the city. When I step outside I never think about my personal safety. I never think about guns. I live in a very civilised society. That is totally beyond you. We have been here before so I will not continue.

OK, Happy Monday, SD

[Tero]

Fire the whole damn board! The two useless Drmocrats can go play postman on Sesame St. Mail carrier.
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/20 ... trump-ally

[Tero]

Biden recruiting 11 million new Democrats for future elections:
The bill would immediately provide green cards to farm workers, those with temporary protected status and young people who arrived in the U.S. illegally as children. For others living in the U.S. as of Jan. 1, 2021, the plan establishes a five-year path to temporary legal status, if they pass background checks, pay taxes and fulfill other basic requirements. Then, after three years, they can pursue citizenship.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-democr ... bb93b0447d

[Brian Peacock]

Seems sensible.

[Cunt]

Biden supporters

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[Tero]

Go buy a pussy hat, Cunt.

[Cunt]

Go buy a pussy hat, Cunt.

I wear a 'foreskin' instead. It's a red wollen neck tube, with a kind of pooched wrinkled area that protects my slightly protruding face from the wind, while building up a handsome white crust.