Media Bias

[Brian Peacock]

I'm virtually teatotal. Yeah, that's right - I'm a cheap date.

I'm not convinced by your claim that you don't know what the PB stand for. I find the rhetoric and action of the PB themselves far more convincing than you.

[Hermit]

Ask Andy Ngo.

He got murdered?

17 years before the Charlottesville murder Dale L. Watson Executive Assistant Director, Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence Division of the FBI - an organisation not known to be sympathetic to lefties - reported to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that

During the past decade we have witnessed dramatic changes in the nature of the terrorist threat. In the 1990s, right-wing extremism overtook left-wing terrorism as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat

Was the 9/11 bombing a right-wing extremism? Left-wing?

Relevance?

How many deaths at the hands of BLM rioters? Or were those Antifa?

How many at the hands of the Proud Boys?

You tell me. Then we both know. I am genuinely curious about how many fatalities Antifa activists are responsible for.

I would not mind being in Biden garb around Proud Boys. I like my chances of being unmolested a lot better than in a MAGA hat at the other guys event.

Great. I'm guessing now that you are not a woman. Or participating in a protest.

[Svartalf]

Argument? Scot couldn't construct an argument to save his life.

Who needs to construct an argument when the basic game is just trying to outshout the other side?

[Hermit]

Argument? Scot couldn't construct an argument to save his life.

Who needs to construct an argument when the basic game is just trying to outshout the other side?

That's not the basic game.

[Scot Dutchy]

Argument? Scot couldn't construct an argument to save his life.

Who needs to construct an argument when the basic game is just trying to outshout the other side?

That's not the basic game.

Pissing up the wall is.

[JimC]

Absolutely!

Got to get rid of all that Kool-Aide somehow...

[Cunt]

Ask Andy Ngo.

He got murdered?

17 years before the Charlottesville murder Dale L. Watson Executive Assistant Director, Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence Division of the FBI - an organisation not known to be sympathetic to lefties - reported to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that

During the past decade we have witnessed dramatic changes in the nature of the terrorist threat. In the 1990s, right-wing extremism overtook left-wing terrorism as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat

Was the 9/11 bombing a right-wing extremism? Left-wing?

Relevance?

It would be a HUGE number, which, if on one side or the other, might equal the total deaths for several years (from extremism) before that.

No biggie, I just wondered if that kind of extremism was right-wing, or the other one.

How many deaths at the hands of BLM rioters? Or were those Antifa?

How many at the hands of the Proud Boys?

You tell me. Then we both know. I am genuinely curious about how many fatalities Antifa activists are responsible for.

I tried, but can't find a single death at the hands of PB.

Found a few recent stabbings, but it was the PB stabbed, by another group. Or it was 'no true ...'

I would not mind being in Biden garb around Proud Boys. I like my chances of being unmolested a lot better than in a MAGA hat at the other guys event.

Great. I'm guessing now that you are not a woman.

Are you trying to convince me that coarsely expressed, primitive opinions are 'molesting'?

Or participating in a protest.

So they fight. We already know that antifa uses 'aggressive intervention' and 'diversity of tactics' for their part. Young people have punched each other around, for shit reasons, since long before either of these groups were started.

It looks like neither of us can find any deaths to pin on the Proud Boys.

Were the BLM/Antifa riots responsible for even one death? Two? Since I couldn't find a single one from the PB, I haven't started looking at that figure yet.

[Brian Peacock]

Proud Boys will be boys eh?

[Cunt]

Proud Boys will be boys eh?

And apparently, white nationalists will follow a brown guy, leading a group that doesn't have exclusionary skin-colour rules.

I guess no-one ever said racists were smart.

[JimC]

When considering terrorist actions by religious fanatics, such as 9/11 or other Islamic fundamentalist violence, it becomes clear that a simplistic division between right wing/left wing terrorism is not particularly useful. The motivations behind violent acts of terrorism vary widely, although a fanatical belief system of one sort or another and a willingness to let the ends justify the means seem to be common grounds...

[Joe]

Absolutely!

Got to get rid of all that Kool-Aide somehow...

Yeahbut, gravity.

[Seabass]

Proud Boys will be boys eh?

And apparently, white nationalists will follow a brown guy, leading a group that doesn't have exclusionary skin-colour rules.

Bulletproof logic there, Cnut. I guess Nazi Germany couldn't have been racist since it cosigned the Tripartite Pact with the Empire of Japan.

I guess no-one ever said racists were smart.

No shit. I would also add that those who always side with racists over anti-racists and those who think the solution to racism is pretending it doesn't exist also tend to be a bit soft in the head...

[Joe]

3% of what? The 1% in America is a clear group owning 90% of America's wealth.

You pulled those statistics straight out of your arse, didn't you?

Share of Total Net Worth 	        	                   Q2 2020    Q1 2020    Q2 2019	
Held by the Top 1% (99th to 100th Wealth Percentiles) 	30.5 	30.0 	31.1	
Held by the 90th to 99th Wealth Percentiles              	38.5 	38.5 	38.5	
Held by the 50th to 90th Wealth Percentiles 	                29.1 	29.7 	28.8	
Held by the Bottom 50% (1st to 50th Wealth Percentiles) 	  1.9 	  1.8 	  1.7

Share of Total Assets                                                   Q2 2020    Q1 2020     Q2 2019	
Held by the Top 1% (99th to 100th Wealth Percentiles) 	27.4 	26.7 	27.8	
Held by the 90th to 99th Wealth Percentiles              	36.1 	36.0 	36.1	
Held by the 50th to 90th Wealth Percentiles 	                30.9 	31.5 	30.6	
Held by the Bottom 50% (1st to 50th Wealth Percentiles) 	  5.5           5.7           5.4 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/release/tab ... eid=813804

Hermit, here's a good picture of the trend over time, courtesy of my favorite local economist, who rather coincidentally had a long article on inequality in the newspaper yesterday. Most of the paper's stuff is behind a paywall, but it's a good read if you can get to it.



It's from the same source you used, and she actually put in a plug for it, which I'm quoting for anyone skeptical of the Federal Reserve's numbers.

I will pause here and state that it is important to look at the data from other angles. For example, I know that averages are skewed by outliers such as the top .01% of households that had an average income of $48.5 million in 2017. It was also both fascinating and incredibly time-consuming to unpeel all the layers of creative data manipulation in the many (left and right-leaning) biased sources I encountered. For these reasons, I also decided to look at two other financial metrics sticking firmly to government sources with transparent methodologies.

[Hermit]

Thanks for the link, Joe. That particular article is not paywalled, so I could read all of it.

No surprise that Tatiana Bailey came up with the same figures I did. I won't be surprised either when Scot Dutchy comes in, again repeating his comments like "sucking at the tit", "Kool-Aide" and "you can't trust the data". The last of those is particularly funny because when he eventually posted the video supposedly supporting the "fact" he pulled out of his arse that the top 1% of Americans owned 90% of the nation's wealth, it turned out to claim that the top 1% of Americans owned 40% of the nation's wealth. You don't need to be a maths wizard to work out that 40 is a lot closer to 30 than 90, but Scotty is not one to admit that he fucked up.

[Joe]

Scot's blanket pronouncements about data quality don't impress me much. He goes on about trust as if professional data users are some kind of naïfs that don't dig into their sources to verify the validity of their methods. The fact that he doesn't value sources that show their work, transparent methodology as Dr. Bailey calls it, suggests an unfamiliarity with the field.

He really should expand his repertoire of insults though. I'm a little bored with the current batch. However, I'd be okay drinking the Kool-Aide with Tatiana Bailey. I've only heard her speak a couple of times and met her briefly, but she seems like she'd be a good brain to pick.