Where does soya come from?

[Scot Dutchy]

Never changes; I dont have prove anything. You are the one claiming but not proving but that is the Peacock's paradox.
Btw. I only eat maize organic chickens fed with local organic maize.

[pErvinalia]

Fuck your English is atrocious.

[rainbow]

Fuck your English is atrocious.

Uncharitable.

...maize organic chickens fed with...

For all you know the Dutch may have produced hydrid GMO maize that eats "organic" chickens.

[Brian Peacock]

Never changes; I dont have prove anything. You are the one claiming but not proving but that is the Peacock's paradox.
Btw. I only eat maize organic chickens fed with local organic maize.

First you said that "soya is the golden bullet in the vegetarian world", and when I pointed out that veg*ns don't necessarily need to rely on soya as a substitute for meat you followed up with an article that points out that extreme vegan diets can be delirious to health. Can we call that Scotty's Swerve perhaps?

It's clearly your contention that veg*ns need or rely on the 'golden bullet' of soya. All I've asked you to do is show that soya is a necessary component of a veg*n diet (which it isn't) and, if diets without meat are necessarily unhealthy, to show how animal-derived food products are a necessary component of a said health, well-balanced diet that can't be achieved by any other means.

BTW: The vast majority of so-called 'meat alternative' soya products are bought by meat-eaters, just as the vast majority of non-animal food products are.

[Scot Dutchy]

Still the Peacock Paradox. You are making the claim but not proving it and trying to push the burden of proof onto me.

[Brian Peacock]

Read the first paragraph above again. I think you've misunderstood what you said. And what claim am I making?

[Strontium Dog]

All those meat alternatives and cheap animal feed are making a lovely mess.

Nothing to do with meat alternatives. 70% of soy goes to feed animals. Only 6% is actually eaten by people. It's entirely the livestock industry that is responsible for this problem.

No? What are they made of? Did I deny anything about animal feed. Soya is the golden bullet in the vegetarian world.

You said "All those meat alternatives and cheap animal feed are making a lovely mess" but companies making vegetarian and vegan food do not source their soya from deforested rainforest. Quorn and Cauldron are two of the biggest names here, and their soya comes from Europe, China and Canada. It's a similar story with other, smaller companies.

[Scot Dutchy]

Believe anything.

[JimC]

Believe anything.

No, believe nothing...

[Brian Peacock]

Still the Peacock Paradox. You are making the claim but not proving it and trying to push the burden of proof onto me.

Hmm.

Getting the right nutrients from a vegan diet

With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/the-vegan-diet/

Getting nutrients from a vegetarian diet

Contrary to popular belief, most vegetarians usually have enough protein and calcium (found in dairy products) in their diet

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/t ... rian-diet/

My 'claim' was a response to your own, as previously mentioned. Now the ball is in your court and I await your demonstration of your own claims: that veg*ns necessarily rely on soya as a 'golden bullet' alternative to animal-based food products and/or that the consumption of soya is needed for a healthy, well-balanced veg*n diet, and that animal-based food stuffs are a necessary component of a health, well-balanced diet that cannot be achieved by any other means - soya or otherwise.