"The butt of global jokes": who might this be? (Talk Trump)

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Re: "The butt of global jokes": who might this be? (Talk Trump)

Post by Tero » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:59 pm

Penthouse news. No golden shower yet, sorry.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:16 pm

Tero wrote:
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Trump Says He’s Too Intelligent to Believe Climate Change Report
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/ ... eport.html

Or he has “intelligence” disproving global warming?
No idea what he is trying to say.
Really? No idea? He's just employing the tactic of science-deniers the world over: citing the authority of his own opinion as superseding the evidence-based conclusions of science. Trump disputes global warming on exactly the same basis that the religious argue against evolution or cosmology - "Because I said so, OK(?)".
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:20 pm

A giant Trump baby blimp that the president says makes him ‘feel unwelcome’ has followed him to the G20 summit in Argentina
A giant blimp of a baby Donald Trump made the president feel very “unwelcome” when he came to London in July, he said.

Now it has followed him to join protestors at the G20 summit held in Buenos Aires, Argentina, on Friday and Saturday.

The six-meter blimp was launched in London and has followed Trump to Paris and Ireland too.

Trump is scheduled to meet world leaders at the two-day event, but has already said he won’t meet Russian President Vladimir Putin because of the situation in Ukraine.

A giant baby blimp that President Donald Trump said made him “feel unwelcome” when it greeted him in London has followed him to the G20 summit in Argentina.
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Trump Lays Groundwork To Ban Mandatory Vaccinations Across U.S.
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Post by Animavore » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:09 pm

I hope they drop all the dead children at his doorstep.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:13 pm

I never took anti-vaxxers seriously. But they've made real progress. They're connecting with more and more people it seems.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:00 pm

Alan Deshowitz is no dummy; he certainly knows the actual definition of the term 'perjury trap,' and is fully familiar with perjury trap doctrine. When he parrots the long-standing and blatantly dishonest Trumpoid 'perjury trap' talking point, he fully discredits himself as an objective commenter on legal matters. From the linked source:
A perjury trap is created when the government calls a witness before the grand jury for the primary purpose of obtaining testimony from him in order to prosecute him later for perjury. When testimony is elicited before a grand jury that is attempting to obtain useful information in furtherance of its investigation, or conducting a legitimate investigation into crimes which had in fact taken place within its jurisdiction, the perjury trap doctrine is, by definition, inapplicable.
And from United States v. Chen (my bold):
A perjury trap is created when the government calls a witness before the grand jury for the primary purpose of obtaining testimony from him in order to prosecute him later for perjury. United States v. Simone, 627 F.Supp. 1264, 1268 (D.N.J.1986) (perjury trap involves "the deliberate use of a judicial proceeding to secure perjured testimony, a concept in itself abhorrent"). It involves the government's use of its investigatory powers to secure a perjury indictment on matters which are neither material nor germane to a legitimate ongoing investigation of the grand jury.
'Dershowitz says Mueller is trying to "spring perjury traps" to flip people'
Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said in an interview that aired Friday on "Rising" that special counsel Robert Mueller's key tactic in the Russia probe has been to use perjury traps on subjects in order to flip them.

"In 55 years of practicing criminal law, I have never heard of a case where somebody was indicted for making a misstatement, then being given an opportunity to correct their misstatement after being shown the evidence then going back and correcting the misstatement. It's simply unheard of," Dershowitz, a frequent defender of President Trump on legal issues, told Hill.TV's Buck Sexton.

"It really shows that the Mueller tactic has been to spring perjury traps on people, and to then try to turn them if they can," he continued.
As far as I'm concerned this bullshit eliminates any doubt that Dershowitz is at this point nothing but a typically dishonest Trump apologist.

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Post by Tero » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:45 am

FOX
Gingrich said Democrats may be planning to use a 1924 law, enacted in the wake of President Warren Harding's "Teapot Dome" scandal, that allows the chairman of the Ways & Means Committee to order the IRS to turn over any individual American's tax returns.

Rep. Bill Pascrell of Paterson, N.J. -- a top Democrat on the committee -- previously asked outgoing GOP Chairman Kevin Brady (R-Texas) to use the law to obtain a decade's worth of returns.
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Post by JimC » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:54 am

Trump wants a very, very moist contact with Putin... :tea:
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:25 am

'Mueller knows a lot': Manafort and Cohen moves put Trump in firing line
The striking subtext of the ‘bombshell’ week was the realization of just how much evidence the special counsel has collected
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:29 am

“I think it remains to be seen what the truth is regarding co-ordination with WikiLeaks,” said Barb McQuade, a University of Michigan law professor and former US attorney. “But if the truth could be found, I think Robert Mueller will find it, and President Trump could find himself in trouble either related to the alleged collusion or obstruction to impede the investigation.”

In retracting Manafort’s plea deal, Mueller signaled an equally robust knowledge of the former campaign chairman’s ties in the former Soviet bloc, accusing Manafort of lying to investigators when he was supposed to be co-operating. Mueller’s team said a “detailed” submission “that sets forth the nature of the defendant’s crimes and lies” would be filed next Friday.

“There’s just a lot of other information that’s going to come tumbling out here that we know of, over the next weeks and months,” said Wright.

‘It does feel like we are moving to the end’

Mueller also signaled that he has evidence of communications between the Trump Organization and campaign and the Kremlin, by persuading Cohen to admit on Thursday to lying to Congress about plans for a tower in Moscow. That evidence could be bad for Trump, many analysts pointed out, if the president’s written statements on the subject, submitted to Mueller earlier in November, were less than truthful.
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Post by Animavore » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:21 pm

News24 heeds a call by the South African National Editors' Forum (Sanef) for journalists to walk out of press conferences of political parties when journalists are being banned, singled out, intimidated and bullied.

We will no longer stand by when politicians like EFF leader Julius Malema belittle and threaten the physical safety of our colleagues in newsrooms.

The past week saw unprecedented attacks by Malema and some of his supporters on journalists who report critically on the EFF and their dealings.

Although Malema and the EFF have the fullest right to criticise the media – News24 included – when they differ from us or when we get it wrong, they do not have the freedom to endanger the lives of journalists or create a climate that condones attacks on journalists.
:clap: This is what weakling American journalists should be doing instead of giving a populist scumbag oxygen.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:53 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:00 pm
Alan Deshowitz is no dummy; he certainly knows the actual definition of the term 'perjury trap,' and is fully familiar with perjury trap doctrine. When he parrots the long-standing and blatantly dishonest Trumpoid 'perjury trap' talking point, he fully discredits himself as an objective commenter on legal matters. From the linked source:
A perjury trap is created when the government calls a witness before the grand jury for the primary purpose of obtaining testimony from him in order to prosecute him later for perjury. When testimony is elicited before a grand jury that is attempting to obtain useful information in furtherance of its investigation, or conducting a legitimate investigation into crimes which had in fact taken place within its jurisdiction, the perjury trap doctrine is, by definition, inapplicable.
And from United States v. Chen (my bold):
A perjury trap is created when the government calls a witness before the grand jury for the primary purpose of obtaining testimony from him in order to prosecute him later for perjury. United States v. Simone, 627 F.Supp. 1264, 1268 (D.N.J.1986) (perjury trap involves "the deliberate use of a judicial proceeding to secure perjured testimony, a concept in itself abhorrent"). It involves the government's use of its investigatory powers to secure a perjury indictment on matters which are neither material nor germane to a legitimate ongoing investigation of the grand jury.
'Dershowitz says Mueller is trying to "spring perjury traps" to flip people'
Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said in an interview that aired Friday on "Rising" that special counsel Robert Mueller's key tactic in the Russia probe has been to use perjury traps on subjects in order to flip them.

"In 55 years of practicing criminal law, I have never heard of a case where somebody was indicted for making a misstatement, then being given an opportunity to correct their misstatement after being shown the evidence then going back and correcting the misstatement. It's simply unheard of," Dershowitz, a frequent defender of President Trump on legal issues, told Hill.TV's Buck Sexton.

"It really shows that the Mueller tactic has been to spring perjury traps on people, and to then try to turn them if they can," he continued.
As far as I'm concerned this bullshit eliminates any doubt that Dershowitz is at this point nothing but a typically dishonest Trump apologist.
Is it just me, but don't complaints about a supposed 'perjury trap' make a mockery of rule 603 of the Federal Rules of Evidence? Aren't complainants basically implying that a citizen has a right to lie in court where they decide that questions are not germane to the proceedings at hand? Seems to me it's a variation on the blaggard's plea: I didn't do anything wrong, I just did something that was technically illegal.
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Post by Joe » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:34 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:53 pm
L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:00 pm
Alan Deshowitz is no dummy; he certainly knows the actual definition of the term 'perjury trap,' and is fully familiar with perjury trap doctrine. When he parrots the long-standing and blatantly dishonest Trumpoid 'perjury trap' talking point, he fully discredits himself as an objective commenter on legal matters. From the linked source:
A perjury trap is created when the government calls a witness before the grand jury for the primary purpose of obtaining testimony from him in order to prosecute him later for perjury. When testimony is elicited before a grand jury that is attempting to obtain useful information in furtherance of its investigation, or conducting a legitimate investigation into crimes which had in fact taken place within its jurisdiction, the perjury trap doctrine is, by definition, inapplicable.
And from United States v. Chen (my bold):
A perjury trap is created when the government calls a witness before the grand jury for the primary purpose of obtaining testimony from him in order to prosecute him later for perjury. United States v. Simone, 627 F.Supp. 1264, 1268 (D.N.J.1986) (perjury trap involves "the deliberate use of a judicial proceeding to secure perjured testimony, a concept in itself abhorrent"). It involves the government's use of its investigatory powers to secure a perjury indictment on matters which are neither material nor germane to a legitimate ongoing investigation of the grand jury.
'Dershowitz says Mueller is trying to "spring perjury traps" to flip people'
Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said in an interview that aired Friday on "Rising" that special counsel Robert Mueller's key tactic in the Russia probe has been to use perjury traps on subjects in order to flip them.

"In 55 years of practicing criminal law, I have never heard of a case where somebody was indicted for making a misstatement, then being given an opportunity to correct their misstatement after being shown the evidence then going back and correcting the misstatement. It's simply unheard of," Dershowitz, a frequent defender of President Trump on legal issues, told Hill.TV's Buck Sexton.

"It really shows that the Mueller tactic has been to spring perjury traps on people, and to then try to turn them if they can," he continued.
As far as I'm concerned this bullshit eliminates any doubt that Dershowitz is at this point nothing but a typically dishonest Trump apologist.
Is it just me, but don't complaints about a supposed 'perjury trap' make a mockery of rule 603 of the Federal Rules of Evidence? Aren't complainants basically implying that a citizen has a right to lie in court where they decide that questions are not germane to the proceedings at hand? Seems to me it's a variation on the blaggard's plea: I didn't do anything wrong, I just did something that was technically illegal.
It isn't just you Brian. Maybe it's quaint and old-fashioned of me, but I believe our courts can't function without truthful testimony, and perjury laws are how they defend their legitimacy. While they require the falsehood to be material, it's not for a witness, or pundits, to decide what's material and what's not. If you lie under oath, you should risk being charged. Conversely, telling the truth to a fault should eliminate that risk.

This is the troubling aspect of the recent Kavanaugh hearings. That a Justice should not feel the necessity of being rigorously truthful under oath risks undermining the single power that undergirds the judicial branch, it's legitimacy. I fear too many Americans have lost sight of this.
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Re: "The butt of global jokes": who might this be? (Talk Trump)

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:28 pm

It was the rush, to get the judge approved before Trump is impeached!
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