Kavanaugh hearing

[Tero]

Groping party was July 1. But GOP can save their asses:

There is a fair chance that early this week, Kavanaugh will be asked to fall on his sword. You know the routine. “I have decided to spare my family and our country further ordeal and embarrassment, and blah, blah, blah.”

That way the FBI investigation is short-circuited and the subject is changed. The spectacle of Republican men defending a likely sexual assaulter against a highly credible woman goes away.

Trump and McConnell get to fast-track another nomination, preferably female, such as the ultraconservative Amy Coney Barrett, who was appointed last year to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. The court seat is saved, the optics on women shift, while the ferocious white male base is furious at Kavanaugh’s treatment and turns out to vote in November.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans- ... 35626.html

[Brian Peacock]

The more I think about this the more uncomfortable I get. Mr Kavanaugh has some serious questions to answer about his temperament, character and political independence - while his performance at the hearing Thursday reflected none of those personal and necessary qualities in a good light. But thing that makes me feel most uncomfortable in not so much the whole shameful three-ring-circus of it all, with senators of each stripe taking turns to act as ringmaster, but the eagerness with which Ms Ford's testimony was reduced to a mere "tactic" and then dismissed on that basis.

Have been following this thread, but can't recall anyone stating the obvious:
This cutesy "professor" already admitted that she wasn't even aware of the 'party', Kavanaugh, or anything significant. So she has no "100%" recollection of the events.

All her allegations came to light after psycho-babble 'recovered memories'. More like recovered bullshit lubricated with liberal amounts of $$$ and pandering to her ego. She was already a committed and active ultra liberal fascisnista.

Her alibi is so full of holes that it's a see-through fashion dress for her rave parties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0oTx-4cIv0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI


She & her family involved for years with the CIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GyZMHraMw


And lots of her high school year book redacted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3ldnK2qLN8


Politics & social engineering is obviously not only dirtier than you imagine, but dirtier than you can imagine!

Now apply Mr Kavanaugh to the anvil of your intellect.

[Forty Two]

There is no reason to think Ford was lying.

There is no reason to think Kavanaugh was lying.

Feinstein, however, manipulated this situation in a way that should be shameful. Of course, since it is just politics, there will be no shame.

Kavanaugh is lie many time already, make perjury even. Maybe if man lie about many small thing, is reason for think he could lie about big one.

Everyone is capable of lying.

Dr. Ford, for example, lied about the second front door to her house. She said that the allegations about Judge Kavanaugh were raised by her to her husband at the time when they were remodeling her house in 2012. She said they had just gone through an extensive remodel of their home, and she was insisting on a "second front door." To explain why she wanted that door, she told her husband that she had been sexually assaulted and always felt that she needed a second avenue of escape, even from her own home.

However, her house had a second front door put in years earlier, as part of a remodel to accommodate renting part of the home out to tenants (specifically google employees). There were tenants renting there over a period of time. By 2011, however, the Fords were no longer using the second front door, and they had a large nearly 6' high hedge planted and growing in front of that second front door in order to cover it up because the front of the house was not aesthetically pleasing with that second door.

She also said one of her best friends, Ms. Keyser, was at the party. Not only was she at the party, but she was the only other female at the party. That person says that she was never at a party with Kavanaugh, didn't know him, and did not go to the party described by Ford.

She said that Kavanaugh had been drinking heavilly before he arrived at the party. However, she also testified that she did not know who arrived first, she or Kavanaugh. Thus, she cannot know if he arrived drunk to the party, as she doesn't know if he was already there when she arrived. She doesn't know, but she tried to say that she knew he was drinking before he got there.

She wasn't driving, per her own testimony, but she cannot recall who drove her to the party. It was not Leland, the one other girl there. It wasn't any of the other people she says was at the party - certainly not Mark Judge or Judge Kavanaugh. After the events in the house, she left, and she somehow was driven home, but she does not mention who that was, and nobody has come forward to say "I was the one who came and got Ms. Ford."

Ford was clear it wasn't anyone at the party - she said she had to run past them all (she "ran" out of the house) to get away. She was relieved when she was out on the street to be away from it. She is clear that she remembers someone drove her to the party, and someone drove her home from the party. Neither person has come forward to confirm that they did that.

She said she was afraid of flying, but she flies often. She at first refused to testify to the committee (in statement to the Washington Post - because of her flying fear).

Per Mitchell (the attorney asking questions of Ford for much of last Thursday) --

In the legal context, here is my bottom line: A “he said, she said” case is incredibly difficult to prove. But this case is even weaker than that. Dr. Ford identified other witnesses to the event, and those witnesses either refuted her allegations or failed to corroborate them. For the reasons discussed below, I do not think that a reasonable prosecutor would bring this case based on the evidence before the Committee. Nor do I believe that this evidence is sufficient to satisfy the preponderance-of-the-evidence standard.

Ford at first said she took the polygraph test on the day of a family member's funeral. She then said she couldn't remember which day it was, and it might have been after.

[Tero]

42 said:
”she also said one of her best friends, Ms. Keyser, was at the party. Not only was she at the party, but she was the only other female at the party. That person says that she was never at a party with Kavanaugh, didn't know him, and did not go to the party described by Ford”

Of course she does not know Kavanaugh, he was busy raping Ford upstairs!

Your other interpretation about flying shows that you know little about fears and anxieties. The purpose pf a flight has a big impact on anxious people. A flight to an unpleasant event is worse than to a family gathering where a froend picks you up at the airport.

[Galaxian]

The more I think about this the more uncomfortable I get. Mr Kavanaugh has some serious questions to answer about his temperament, character and political independence - while his performance at the hearing Thursday reflected none of those personal and necessary qualities in a good light. But thing that makes me feel most uncomfortable in not so much the whole shameful three-ring-circus of it all, with senators of each stripe taking turns to act as ringmaster, but the eagerness with which Ms Ford's testimony was reduced to a mere "tactic" and then dismissed on that basis.

Have been following this thread, but can't recall anyone stating the obvious:
This cutesy "professor" already admitted that she wasn't even aware of the 'party', Kavanaugh, or anything significant. So she has no "100%" recollection of the events.

All her allegations came to light after psycho-babble 'recovered memories'. More like recovered bullshit lubricated with liberal amounts of $$$ and pandering to her ego. She was already a committed and active ultra liberal fascisnista.

Her alibi is so full of holes that it's a see-through fashion dress for her rave parties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0oTx-4cIv0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI


She & her family involved for years with the CIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GyZMHraMw


And lots of her high school year book redacted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3ldnK2qLN8


Politics & social engineering is obviously not only dirtier than you imagine, but dirtier than you can imagine!

Now apply Mr Kavanaugh to the anvil of your intellect.

I don't need to: Blasey Ford is the accuser. Kavanaugh is the defendant. Law says "innocent till proven guilty". How convenient that after 36 years she has 'recovered' memories that are so distressing that just before his confirmation she comes out with it. Her BS story is that she's doing a public service? Where was her public service when Kavanaugh was made circuit court judge?
This is just another hoax, fit for the sheeple. Hopefully it'll backfire & the Republican majority will increase. But not to worry; no matter who's the store-front in Amerikkka, there's nothing on the shelves inside. Not long left now, not long to go...

[Forty Two]

Groping party was July 1. But GOP can save their asses:

That's not accurate. The location of that party is not in accordance with even the vague details of Dr. Ford's testimony. If we commit to July 1 as the day of the assault, the July 1 brewskis get together is an alibi. Ford recalled that the home where the alleged attack occurred was “not far from the country club” in Chevy Chase, Maryland, where she had spent the day swimming prior to the alleged attack (hence wearing a one-piece bathing suit under her clothes). Tim ("Timmy") Gaudette’s house was in Rockville, Maryland, over 11 miles away from the country club.

There is a fair chance that early this week, Kavanaugh will be asked to fall on his sword. You know the routine. “I have decided to spare my family and our country further ordeal and embarrassment, and blah, blah, blah.”

Not going to happen. Ford's claim is such self-evident, internally inconsistent bullshit, that it cannot be allowed to stand.

[Forty Two]

42 said:
”she also said one of her best friends, Ms. Keyser, was at the party. Not only was she at the party, but she was the only other female at the party. That person says that she was never at a party with Kavanaugh, didn't know him, and did not go to the party described by Ford”

Of course she does not know Kavanaugh, he was busy raping Ford upstairs!

Ford said, and she's 100% sure, that the party had 4 boys and two girls, one of which was her and the other was Leland Ingham Keyser. The boys were Kavanaugh, Judge, and PJ, and someone she did not name. She and Kavanaugh and Judge were upstairs (where no rape occurred, by her own testimony), and then after she went to the bathroom she testified that Kavanaugh and Judge went downstairs and were talking with the others at the party, including Keyser. However, Keyser says she was not at the party and never even met Kavanaugh.

Your statement is that she doesn't remember Kavanaugh beause Kavanaugh was upstairs raping Ford? Not accurate, because Ford herself says that Kavanaugh and Leland were together both before Ford went upstairs to use the bathroom, and after.

Your other interpretation about flying shows that you know little about fears and anxieties. The purpose pf a flight has a big impact on anxious people. A flight to an unpleasant event is worse than to a family gathering where a froend picks you up at the airport.

No no. Her own words to the Washington Post were that she could not testify because of her fear of flying (she couldn't get there). Her words - not my interpretation. She, obviously, goes all over the place by plane, and if she wasn't lying about not being able to testify because of her fear of flying, then she would have said that "it's difficult for me to fly...." Her own attorneys said it was impossible for her to testify the week prior because of her fear of flying, too. It wasn't impossible. She flew there for the Thursday testimony. And, she and her attorneys were offered the option of having the interview done in her locale, not in Washington, DC. However, since that didn't offer her Democrat handlers the spectacle they were looking for, she got her fear of flying in check real quick.

[Tero]

Real bullshitter is the party animal Brett. He was so blind drunk so often he cannot remember who he groped and how many he assaulted with his dick in college.

Then he sobered up to be the pillar of society, just like his buddy George Bush.

You don’t know what she had to do to get on the plane. Maybe she needed counceling or xanax.
WIKI

Fear of flying is a fear of being on an aeroplane (airplane), or other flying vehicle, such as a helicopter, while in flight. It is also referred to as flying phobia, flight phobia, aviophobia or aerophobia (although the last also means a fear of drafts or of fresh air).[1]

Acute anxiety caused by flying can be treated with anti-anxiety medication. The condition can be treated with exposure therapy, which works better when combined with cognitive behavioral therapy.

Relates somehat to claustrophobia, but many individuals have a faulty sense of balance as far as movement up and down goes, whereas the balance is OK if moving fast in unexpected situations in two dimensions as in a car.

[Forty Two]

FBI will not interview Ford or Kavanaugh. He has nothing but a calendar
She might have something.

Ford should be glad she isn't going to be interviewed by the FBI, if indeed you are correct. All she can do is tell another version of events, and even in smaller details, inconsistencies will be seized upon to discredit her story. She has told her story, in all the detail she has, by letter to Feinstein, to the Washington Post, and to the committee directly. Is she planning on saying something different? If she adds newly remembered details that support her story, then they will be seized upon as convenient after the fact additions. If she adds newly remembered details that detract from her story, then obviously that will hurt. If she changes details, even if they are things like who was at the party, or where the party was, they will be shown as reasons why her memory can't be trusted.

As for Kavanaugh, same thing. Talking to the FBI helps nobody - even 100% correct memory truth-tellers. It's the reason people are told not to talk to the cops. Even if you haven't done anything wrong, you can get in hot water.

As for his calendar, it's amazing he even has it. But, the FBI will look at that calendar, and the first thing they'll do is test to see if it is altered recently, and if there is any indication that it is a fabrication. If Kavanaugh has all his calendars from the early 1980s, though, then it is unusual, but it certainly benefits him.

Viewed in any objective fashion, it makes no sense to "believe" Dr. Ford. What we can say is that while she was able to deliver her story in a manner that pulled at people's heart-strings and she made a good witness (to a lot of people), when her story is examined and tested, it is not convincing.

She was swimming at the country club, and went to a party somewhere between the country club and her house. At the party were 4 boys (Kav, Judge, PJ, undisclosed) and 2 girls (Ford and Leland Ingham Keyser). All the named persons say the party didn't happen, or they have no recollection of it at all. Ford doesn't know how or when she got there, or who drove her (although she did arrive by car - so someone drove her). It wasn't Kav or Judge, or Leland, or PJ - so either someone dropped her off, or it was the undisclosed person). She is sure that Kav and Judge were drinking heavily before they got to the party - but at the same time she does not know if she got there first, or they got their first, and she can't explain how she knows that, if she didn't get their first (to see them arrive drunk). She knows no details at all about the party -- nothing - no layout of the house - doesn't even know whose house it was, but it wasn't hers, wasn't Leland's, wasn't Kavs, wan't Judge's and wasn't PJ's - so unless they were partying at someone's house who was not at the party, it was the mystery undisclosed person again..... which means that undisclosed person would have been at the house, and wouldn't have been the one driving Ford to the party. So, who dropped her off?

Do we know the color of the carpet? Walls? Any noticeable decor? Did it have a basement? Which room was everyone congregated in? What kind of drinks were served? What was the yard like? What was the street like? She doesn't have to know all these details, but isn't it weird that she doesn't remember any overarching details that might even identify the house they were at? Nothing?

Well, o.k., she doesn't remember - so what happened - she remembers nothing at all about the party - conversations, games, discussions, drinks, anything - nothing at all except that she had to go potty and then she went up a "narrow staircase" -- narrow? Why did she go upstairs? No first floor bathroom? In the circles these folks lived - expensive private school kids in Chevy Chase Maryland, they didn't just have bathrooms upstairs, usually. Doesn't indicate anything for sure - maybe someone else was in the downstairs bathroom - maybe it was clogged - could be anything. But, she's going upstairs - and she's shoved into a room by Judge and Kav -- music was already on, but they turned it up. He tackles her and hand over mouth, groping, grinding, she thinks she might die. Judge is laughing and egging him on, then saying "stop stop" -- laughing - Judge tackles Kav off, and she gets up and goes to the bathroom where she stays for a bit, she hears them laughing and bumping the walls on their way down - and she knows they are talking with the others downstairs.

She then leaves and runs past everyone, and out the front door. Yet, she says that it's no surprise that Leland doesn't remember this party because it was just a normal party - nothing eventful happened. Nothing eventful. The one other girl at the party darts out the door inexplicably, with no way to get home, and her bestie doesn't notice? No big deal? No comment the next day "Hey, Blasey, what happened at the party? You just sort of ran out?" -- nothing unusual - that happens at all the parties there. And, no comment from the boys? The boys are there drinking with these girls -- and one of the only two there disappears real quick - nobody asks Judge and Kav what happened? Nobody asks Blasey the next day what happened? It sticks in nobody's mind?

Kav discloses a calendar, and the only remotely close event is a July 1 get together for brewskis - no girls mentioned. Yet, it's in Rockville - nowhere near the "close to the country club" location suggested by Ford.

And, the event is never mentioned by Ford for decades - not until a discussion about two front doors in 2012, which Blasey wanted as an escape route after a remodel. But, the remodel occurred years prior, and there were two front doors previous to 2012. By 2011, the second front door was already blocked off by a hedge right by the house, and the reason for the second door was that at the time they wanted to rent that part of the house out. Need an escape route, but we have strangers living in the house. And, we already had the door years before the conversation about the door took place. Then couples counseling - which the psychologist notes don't match Ford's story (psychologist, like everyone else except for Ford - got it wrong - everybody is wrong, and Ford doesn't remember most of it - but, 100% sure - the important bits, dead balls on accurate).

The timing. Her interest in RU-486. The interest groups involved - Democrat fundraising - Democrat activist attorneys -- referred by Democrat Senate office. They're working pro bono, but there are several go fund me accounts now up to about $1,000,000 -- for what? To pay the lawyers working for free? Cokes at the hearing? Plane, hotel and rental car?

Even if you lean towards believing her and don't want this guy on the bench, isn't it at least reasonable to be skeptical of her account?

[Forty Two]

but the eagerness with which Ms Ford's testimony was reduced to a mere "tactic" and then dismissed on that basis.

The more I've gone over this, the more it's obvious to me that it is a mere tactic. I think she's lying. At first, I was willing to agree that "something happened to her, but not by Kavanaugh..." (that line), but that's really untenable at this point. The allegation that she was at a party near her country club and had someone do what she alleged was done to her is untenable. She isn't believable.

[Tero]

She, obviously, goes all over the place by plane, and if she wasn't lying about not being able to testify because of her fear of flying, then she would have said that "it's difficult for me to fly...."

You are not reading or listening. People have a hard time explaining their anxieties, they may look like lies to outsiders. I explained it. I'm quite familiar with anxieties. I would have made a decent psychologist. Except I don't like people that much.

[Cunt]

If you believe Ford about her allegations, and believe Kavanaugh about his account of events, what you are left with is pretty easy to identify.

Political parties doing their best to destroy each other, using any dirty trick they can stumble-upon.

Didn't Avanetti make some claims of having more witnesses? Shouldn't anyone found to be making up shit for political reasons be accused of lying publicly? Maybe there are laws against lying in that way about someone...

I would have made a decent psychologist

Unless it was a republican who needed help, then you would have made a terrible one.

Maybe being so one-sided wouldn't be good for democratic patients either...

[Cunt]

minimize, minimize, minimize

Where is the great sympathy? The stuff that just made his heart ache for the incel?

This woman approached her senator, not the other way around.

She wants to stop his appointment and the fact that her senator's goals align with hers does not reduce her efforts to a mere tactic. But you don't focus on that. Nope, she's dismissed, a mere artifact, an accident, a pawn.

I told you - I believe her. No reason not to.

She is also being used as a tactic. If true, Ford isn't a beast at all...but Feinstein and her cronies are.

The more I think about this the more uncomfortable I get. Mr Kavanaugh has some serious questions to answer about his temperament, character and political independence - while his performance at the hearing Thursday reflected none of those personal and necessary qualities in a good light. But thing that makes me feel most uncomfortable in not so much the whole shameful three-ring-circus of it all, with senators of each stripe taking turns to act as ringmaster, but the eagerness with which Ms Ford's testimony was reduced to a mere "tactic" and then dismissed on that basis.

Have been following this thread, but can't recall anyone stating the obvious:
This cutesy "professor" already admitted that she wasn't even aware of the 'party', Kavanaugh, or anything significant. So she has no "100%" recollection of the events.

All her allegations came to light after psycho-babble 'recovered memories'. More like recovered bullshit lubricated with liberal amounts of $$$ and pandering to her ego. She was already a committed and active ultra liberal fascisnista.

Her alibi is so full of holes that it's a see-through fashion dress for her rave parties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0oTx-4cIv0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI


She & her family involved for years with the CIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GyZMHraMw


And lots of her high school year book redacted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3ldnK2qLN8


Politics & social engineering is obviously not only dirtier than you imagine, but dirtier than you can imagine!

I think the grocery store she remembers stopping at didn't open until a few years later.

Still no reason to not take her at her word.

[Tero]

Cunt, what is problem with abortion? Other than you being a Cunt.

Abortion is all Kavanaugh will manage to make a lasting change with. All his libertarian rulings can easily be reversed.

[Tero]

Kavanaugh has just plainly lied about his drinking. He cannot deny activities he has no memory of.

Reports of Kavanaugh's testimony on his drinking behaviour being untruthful
There's people claiming both sides (both that his description of his drinking habits at Yale was truthful and that it was not), but the fact itself (ie that it is disputed) still could be included in the article, I think. Reporting is here for example.

Names I've seen claiming he was a heavy drinker: Most prominent in reporting - Chad Ludington (eg in the nytimes article I linked above) Others: Lynne Brookes & Dr. Elizabeth Swisher (likely not a reliable source, just where I saw the names).

Names claiming his description was truthful: Chris Dudley (also in the nytimes article). I'm sure there's more, just not stumbled over any yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/30/us/p ... e=Homepage

https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/lynne-br ... z-swisher/

Go here and click the TALK tab at the top
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kav ... nomination