Libertarianism is inherently pro-choice

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Re: Libertarianism is inherently pro-choice

Post by Rum » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:05 pm

I think the OP title is correct. End of.

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Post by Drewish » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:17 pm

Too bad we don't appear to have any pro-lifers here to actually argue the case. I am left attempting to seek out novel arguments and opinions, but failing.
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Re: Libertarianism is inherently pro-choice

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:16 pm

The matter can be framed in terms of the following question.

Do women have dominion over their own bodies, and if not to when and to what extent do others (whoever they may be) have dominion over a women's bodies?
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Post by Tyrannical » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:01 pm

Drewish wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Infanticide shouldn't be any different.
As in killing your kids should be okay, or abortion should be illegal like killing your own kid?
I see little if any difference between abortion and infanticide. Infanticide is probably preferable due to the medical research advantage.
And I mean infant. Once you hit around 18 months it starts to become a bit of a grey area. But it should not feel pain during the procedure.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:27 am

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Post by Hermit » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:43 am

Infanticide is, or at least has been, a lot more common than most people realise. In the past there has been noticeably less opprobrium associated with it too than in first world countries today.
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Re: Libertarianism is inherently pro-choice

Post by DaveDodo007 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:14 am

Drewish wrote:When I meet a supposed libertarian who is pro-life I can never get a good argument from them. They always seem to go back to a "life begins at conception" argument, as if the means by which a complete ban on abortion would occur are unimportant. How would one enforce banning chemical abortions (like the morning after pill)? There's no evidence that somebody went missing. Miscarriages happen all the time. Trying to keep a pill illegal? Yeah see how the drug war has worked out so well. Without going full police state, there's no way to stop chemical abortions. Talk of late term abortions and viability aside, libertarianism is completely incompatible with a ban on chemical abortions.

There I've put my cards on the table. I know there are some people who self identify as right wing or libertarian around here. Lefties can go fuck themselves, I don't care about their "Anyone opposed to abortion hates women!" bullshit. I want to hear from intelligent people who might disagree with me. So conservatives, libertarians, etc... who and why are you pro-life on this issue?
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Re: Libertarianism is inherently pro-choice

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:29 am

So? Is a zygote a human being?
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Re: Libertarianism is inherently pro-choice

Post by DaveDodo007 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:37 am

Brian Peacock wrote:So? Is a zygote a human being?
Were you not once a zygote therefore a human being?
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Post by DaveDodo007 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:55 am

Hermit wrote:Image
Get fucked you inhuman scum, a zygote grows into a human being just like you and me. Terminating it at their most vulnerable and voiceless is the most callous of inhuman action to man.
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Post by Hermit » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:21 am

DaveDodo007 wrote:Get fucked you inhuman scum... Image
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Re: Libertarianism is inherently pro-choice

Post by JimC » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:51 am

DaveDodo007, this post: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 8#p1731018

is a clear personal attack on another member. Given your posting history, and the generalised attacks of your recent posts, you are suspended for 2 weeks.
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Re: Libertarianism is inherently pro-choice

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:12 am

DaveDodo007 wrote:
Hermit wrote:Image
Get fucked you inhuman scum, a zygote grows into a human being just like you and me. Terminating it at their most vulnerable and voiceless is the most callous of inhuman action to man.
A zygote isn't a man (nor a woman nor a child nor a living human).
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Re: Libertarianism is inherently pro-choice

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:13 am

Hermit wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:Get fucked you inhuman scum... Image
:lol: That's so Davedodo
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