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Re: Leftist Madness on US College Campuses - Evergreen Colle

Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:26 pm

Animavore wrote:Hah. Disingenuous to the last.
LOL. No, you!
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Leftist Madness on US College Campuses - Evergreen Colle

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Animavore wrote:Hah. Disingenuous to the last.
LOL. No, you!
No, bro. You. You think I need another 8 months of giving him a chance? He's pulling out of the Paris Agreement. He gets an F.

You're still hoping. You're hoping Trump pulls something out of the bag. You're sitting there with your fingers crossed that you won't be proven wrong. You want to be able to say, "Ha! I told you." But the words won't come out.

You've lost but you're not ready to admit it.
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Re: Leftist Madness on US College Campuses - Evergreen Colle

Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:06 pm

Animavore wrote:Exactly, lak. You get this. 42 is acting astonished.
Fascinated. Lak's generation was at least protesting a war. Nowadays, we have constant war, which they don't protest, but they do go bananas over a progressive Bernie-voting academic who dares to object to a racist "no whites allowed" day. And, their actions are flowing from their ideology.
Animavore wrote: The Bible throws so much shit that the odd turd sticks. Ecclesiastes 1:9 is right. There is nothing new under the Sun.

These little twerp are trying to find their place in the World. We've all been there. Even 42.
LOL, by getting and trying to get people fired for objecting to their racist bullshit. You can believe me when I say, I have never been that awful when trying to find my own place. There at Evergreen, these supposed innocent children, just "trying to find their place," were out hunting for professor Weinstein, stopping traffic, harassing occupants of vehicles and demanding information on the identities of persons, among other things, such that law enforcement warned the professor to stay away from campus because he was in physical danger. He was forced to hold classes off campus.

So, the nice, but misguided, kids, just trying make their way in this crazy old world, drove tuition paying students off campus in order to attend their evolutionary biology class. And, they did so in furtherance of their ideology.

These, nice, kind, little college kiddies, just trying to find a place in the world, and going through what everyone does growing up, well, they threatened violence if their list of demands were not met. The crime of the offending professor was to say that a person's right to speak, or even just "to be," on a college campus should not be based on race. That's what he did wrong. And, that's what these innocent children are protesting, and you're pretending that this is something we all do as impetuous, crazy kids in our halcyon days?



As Professor Weinstein has expressed, it's not just the mob of students. College policies and actions are fostering this garbage. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-campus ... 67a949560d

Similar to the Yale fiasco -- "My wife @ErikaChristakis spent her whole career working w marginalized populations; has deep, abiding humanity. But still they came for her." - Nicolas Christakis.

58 minutes in, he recounts a student mob supporting faculty member threatening his wife on Twitter.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Leftist Madness on US College Campuses - Evergreen Colle

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No one cares.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:14 pm

If they can prove kids did those things then those kids should be kicked out of school and have to repay any excess financial aid. They can return when they've grown up a bit.
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Re: Leftist Madness on US College Campuses - Evergreen Colle

Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:25 pm

Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:Hah. Disingenuous to the last.
LOL. No, you!
No, bro. You. You think I need another 8 months of giving him a chance? He's pulling out of the Paris Agreement. He gets an F.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/privat ... 2017-06-01 Underlying job growth is probably running at about 200,000 per month, Zandi said in a press conference Thursday. Since the job market is growing at a much slower pace — probably about 80,000 per month — the jobless rate will continue to fall, he said. A 4% rate is “dead ahead.”

I have no problem with him leaving the Paris Accords. You give him an F because his ideology is not yours, and you want the Paris Accords. I'm not wedded to the Paris Accords, and I think there is plenty of room to make better arrangements on the environment. One major issue with the Paris Accords is that it places a heavy burden on the US while giving countries like China an almost free pass.


Animavore wrote: You're still hoping. You're hoping Trump pulls something out of the bag. You're sitting there with your fingers crossed that you won't be proven wrong. You want to be able to say, "Ha! I told you." But the words won't come out.

You've lost but you're not ready to admit it.
I don't care about "ha I told you so." I think that your "he's failed" narrative is hypocritical and unfair, and irrational. You just hate the guy, which is fine. However, it quite simply is not reasonable to judge success or failure based on four months.

We don't even, most likely, agree on a metric for what would constitute success, anyway. You appear to view failure as anything which opposes policy measures you support. I don't view it that way. I am viewing success based on the numbers relative to unemployment, labor participation, industrial output, GDP growth, overall standard of living, taxation level, interest rates, inflation rates, business growth, balance of trade, and other such issues.
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:35 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:If they can prove kids adult college student did those things then those kids adult college students should be kicked out of school and have to repay any excess financial aid. They can return when they've grown up a bit.
:fix:

They know who the adults are. They are on film. And, it was a faculty member who threatened the guy's wife (calling for someone to "collect" her "racist ass" - although there is not a shred of evidence that the liberal, progressive liberal arts professor wife of a liberal, progressive Bernie-voting evolutionary biologist has a "racist ass" - anyone who objects to the mob, or is married to someone who objects to the mob, gets this treatment) . The administration of the school is complicit, and has instructed campus police to "stand down." They've allowed the students to take over the library, threaten other students, and "hunt" for a professor whose only crime is to voice opposition to a racist "no whites allowed" day on campus. Nothing has been done about it, and the school administration is doing nothing about it, because much of the school administration identifies ideologically with the mob. That's one of the points made by professor Weinstein in his interview on the Rubin Report.
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:37 pm

Animavore wrote:No one cares.
Then why are you posting here?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:45 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:Hah. Disingenuous to the last.
LOL. No, you!
No, bro. You. You think I need another 8 months of giving him a chance? He's pulling out of the Paris Agreement. He gets an F.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/privat ... 2017-06-01 Underlying job growth is probably running at about 200,000 per month, Zandi said in a press conference Thursday. Since the job market is growing at a much slower pace — probably about 80,000 per month — the jobless rate will continue to fall, he said. A 4% rate is “dead ahead.”

I have no problem with him leaving the Paris Accords. You give him an F because his ideology is not yours, and you want the Paris Accords. I'm not wedded to the Paris Accords, and I think there is plenty of room to make better arrangements on the environment. One major issue with the Paris Accords is that it places a heavy burden on the US while giving countries like China an almost free pass.


Animavore wrote: You're still hoping. You're hoping Trump pulls something out of the bag. You're sitting there with your fingers crossed that you won't be proven wrong. You want to be able to say, "Ha! I told you." But the words won't come out.

You've lost but you're not ready to admit it.
I don't care about "ha I told you so." I think that your "he's failed" narrative is hypocritical and unfair, and irrational. You just hate the guy, which is fine. However, it quite simply is not reasonable to judge success or failure based on four months.

We don't even, most likely, agree on a metric for what would constitute success, anyway. You appear to view failure as anything which opposes policy measures you support. I don't view it that way. I am viewing success based on the numbers relative to unemployment, labor participation, industrial output, GDP growth, overall standard of living, taxation level, interest rates, inflation rates, business growth, balance of trade, and other such issues.
Unemployment is a useless measure. Underemployment is far more telling.

And what better arrangements do you think Trump is going to get on the environment?? Lol, the dunce thinks that climate change is a Chinese conspiracy. :fp:
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Link to the police being told to "stand down"?
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:04 pm

pErvin wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:Hah. Disingenuous to the last.
LOL. No, you!
No, bro. You. You think I need another 8 months of giving him a chance? He's pulling out of the Paris Agreement. He gets an F.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/privat ... 2017-06-01 Underlying job growth is probably running at about 200,000 per month, Zandi said in a press conference Thursday. Since the job market is growing at a much slower pace — probably about 80,000 per month — the jobless rate will continue to fall, he said. A 4% rate is “dead ahead.”

I have no problem with him leaving the Paris Accords. You give him an F because his ideology is not yours, and you want the Paris Accords. I'm not wedded to the Paris Accords, and I think there is plenty of room to make better arrangements on the environment. One major issue with the Paris Accords is that it places a heavy burden on the US while giving countries like China an almost free pass.


Animavore wrote: You're still hoping. You're hoping Trump pulls something out of the bag. You're sitting there with your fingers crossed that you won't be proven wrong. You want to be able to say, "Ha! I told you." But the words won't come out.

You've lost but you're not ready to admit it.
I don't care about "ha I told you so." I think that your "he's failed" narrative is hypocritical and unfair, and irrational. You just hate the guy, which is fine. However, it quite simply is not reasonable to judge success or failure based on four months.

We don't even, most likely, agree on a metric for what would constitute success, anyway. You appear to view failure as anything which opposes policy measures you support. I don't view it that way. I am viewing success based on the numbers relative to unemployment, labor participation, industrial output, GDP growth, overall standard of living, taxation level, interest rates, inflation rates, business growth, balance of trade, and other such issues.
Unemployment is a useless measure. Underemployment is far more telling.
Indeed, which is a point I made repeatedly about Obama's unemployment numbers. When Obama's dropping unemployment rate coincided with the decrease in the labor participation rate to record levels, that feature was rather well ignored. That's why one of the points I made relative to measures of success was "labor participation rate" and I would add, if I didn't already, the U6 underemployment numbers. Success on his part would be measured in part on how he gets labor participation up, and underemployment down, while keeping unemployment low. That's a tough thing, but if he can do it, he will be to that extent a success in my view.
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And what better arrangements do you think Trump is going to get on the environment?? Lol, the dunce thinks that climate change is a Chinese conspiracy. :fp:
Not sure, but since international climate "accords" imposing "voluntary" standards are not particularly high on my list of national priorities, it's not particularly centrally featured in my analysis of what would make a Trump Presidency a success. It's a good idea to get rid of it, because it's not fair, and because it opens the door to pernicious lawsuits (since Trump is already getting rid of the domestic regulations which were designed to have the US meet its Paris Accord "goals." If he's getting rid of the "steak" (the domestic regulations), then the "sizzle" of the Paris Accords should go, if only to be consistent. Retaining the Paris Accords, without taking measures to fulfill the goals would be hypocritical and dishonest.

Reasonable minds can differ, I think, about whether it's a good idea to retain the Paris goals and the domestic legislation/regulations designed to fulfill them. But, if we're not going to honor the goals, then I think we should get rid of the whole thing.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:11 pm

Paris Accords aren't fair? Why? You think it's unfair that those who have added the most greenhouse gas emissions should have to do the most work in addressing the problem?
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:28 pm

pErvin wrote:Link to the police being told to "stand down"?
"I was not expecting to hold my biology class in a public park last week. But then the chief of our college police department told me she could not protect me on campus. Protestors were searching cars for an unspecified individual—likely me—and her officers had been told to stand down, against her judgment, by the college president." Prof. Bret Weinstein https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-campus ... 1496187482 Also stated by Prof. Weinstein in his public interviews on the Rubin Report, etc. and http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/25/its-l ... ege-video/

So, it's a report by Bret Weinstein of what he was told directly by the Chief of Police, Stacy Brown. There have been no denials of the allegation by the chief of police or the school administration, and the police have done not much of anything.
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Post by laklak » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:38 pm

Why do we call them "kids" and give them a pass on this bullshit? They're fucking legal adults. It's one thing to protest, another entirely to illegally stop and search vehicles. Stop my fucking vehicle and the best you'll get is a face full of pepper spray.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:40 pm

pErvin wrote:Paris Accords aren't fair? Why? You think it's unfair that those who have added the most greenhouse gas emissions should have to do the most work in addressing the problem?
Were that the case, then china should do the most. China and India had no obligations under the agreement until 2030. Also, the Accords do not address coal, and while the US is reducing coal in its power mix, China and India are building plants at a rapid pace (probably 1000 new plants will be built in the next decade). Among other things.

Even James Hansen called the Accords a fraud ,and just worthless words.
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