Why are the WW2 vets angry at the Obama Admin?

[Seth]

Group files ethics complaint against Neugebauer

A Washington, D.C. watchdog group filed an ethics complaint against U.S. Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Lubbock, for his spat with a park ranger at the National World War II Memorial this week.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington filed a complaint Friday with the Office of Congressional Ethics against Neugebauer “for conduct that reflects discreditably upon the House,” according to a news release from the organization.

“Rep. Neugebauer’s mistreatment of a federal employee who was doing her job is disgraceful,” Melanie Sloan, the group’s executive director, said in a news release. “The blame for the government shutdown and the resulting closure of the memorials lies squarely on the shoulders of lawmakers like Rep. Neugebauer who refuse to fund our government.”

The group claims Neugebauer’s conduct violates House Rule 23, which requires all members of the House conduct themselves “at all times in a manner that reflects creditably on the House.”

“By publicly assailing a federal employee who was acting in accordance with the will of the House and attempting to coerce the ranger to allow access to the memorial — despite the fact that federal law requires its closure — Rep. Neugebauer abused his position,” the release states.

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The Park Service closed the memorial after the partial government shutdown this week, keeping veterans and others out of the site.

“How do you look at them and say ... deny them access. I don’t get that,” Neugebauer asks the ranger in the video.

The ranger responds: “It’s difficult.”

“Well, it should be,” Neugebauer responds. “Park Service should be ashamed of themselves.”

“I’m not ashamed,” the ranger says.

“Well, you should be,” Neugebauer responds.

To paraphrase slightly, all that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men (or women) do nothing.

"I vas chust followink orders" as an excuse for illegal actions went out at Nuremberg.

All anybody has to do to get past the barriers is say the magic words: "I'm here to symbolically through occupation express my First Amendment-protected outrage at the closure of public lands as I petition my government for redress of this grievance while freely assembling with my fellow citizens on this "quintessential" public forum as it has been so declared by the Supreme Court, so get the FUCK out of my way you disloyal jackbooted thug."

That's it. Say something even faintly like that and they CANNOT inhibit you or throw you out because your right to protest outweighs their suspended authority to keep you out...of ANY National Park...but particularly the National Mall.

Fuck the jackboots who obey Obama and not their oath of office and the Constitution. They need to be berated. They need to be FIRED.

Oh, and federal law does NOT require the closure of public lands in a shutdown, it merely requires federal employees to stop working. That's it.

[Coito ergo sum]

The Park Service is not going to escape the back lash of their illegal activities during the shut down, such as evicting people from their homes located on federal land and arresting veterans trying to view an open air monument.

The National Park Service is required to keep out vandals, Libertarian poachers, and publicity stunts out of their Trusts even if it doesn't have the funding to be fully operational. Organic Act of 1916.

If folks don't like that, they can petition their Congressmen to either repeal the Organic Act of 1916 and disband the National Parks, or send up a budget bill to the Senate.

You don't get it. The Organic Act is a statute, not a constitutional provision. The government cannot perform ANY of its functions, including the enforcement of most regulations, without an appropriation to fund that activity. The Park Service is CLOSED. Not the parks, the NPS itself. It cannot provide any "service" at the moment. It's employees are required to to NOTHING right now, by federal law. The sole exceptions are protection of life and property. If someone's life is not in danger, or someone's property is not in danger of imminent harm, the NPS CANNOT ACT, it's illegal for any park employee to do anything that is not an "essential service," which doesn't happen to include closing parks, erecting barriers and obstructing citizens much less writing tickets or picking up trash.

That's why the power to deny appropriations is the power to shut down the ability of a rogue agency to do ANYTHING AT ALL not mandated by the constitution. And the House has that power. The President does NOT have the power to have government employees do work that Congress refuses to fund by appropriation. It's a "high crime" for him to order government employees to defy the House's defunding of federal activities, so he can be impeached for doing so.

Seth, that's just plain wrong. If there is a statute which allows "essential" workers to continue working, and there are such statutes, then they are authorized to keep on keepin' on. You may not agree that closing the parks is an essential service, but the agency is apparently claiming that it is essential because there is property there that needs protecting, and that's one of the essential tasks. If you don't like it, petition your government for a redress of grievances, call your Congressman to have them put a stop to it, go out there and protest, file suit, or whatever.

[Seth]

The Park Service is not going to escape the back lash of their illegal activities during the shut down, such as evicting people from their homes located on federal land and arresting veterans trying to view an open air monument.

The National Park Service is required to keep out vandals, Libertarian poachers, and publicity stunts out of their Trusts even if it doesn't have the funding to be fully operational. Organic Act of 1916.

If folks don't like that, they can petition their Congressmen to either repeal the Organic Act of 1916 and disband the National Parks, or send up a budget bill to the Senate.

You don't get it. The Organic Act is a statute, not a constitutional provision. The government cannot perform ANY of its functions, including the enforcement of most regulations, without an appropriation to fund that activity. The Park Service is CLOSED. Not the parks, the NPS itself. It cannot provide any "service" at the moment. It's employees are required to to NOTHING right now, by federal law. The sole exceptions are protection of life and property. If someone's life is not in danger, or someone's property is not in danger of imminent harm, the NPS CANNOT ACT, it's illegal for any park employee to do anything that is not an "essential service," which doesn't happen to include closing parks, erecting barriers and obstructing citizens much less writing tickets or picking up trash.

That's why the power to deny appropriations is the power to shut down the ability of a rogue agency to do ANYTHING AT ALL not mandated by the constitution. And the House has that power. The President does NOT have the power to have government employees do work that Congress refuses to fund by appropriation. It's a "high crime" for him to order government employees to defy the House's defunding of federal activities, so he can be impeached for doing so.

Seth, that's just plain wrong. If there is a statute which allows "essential" workers to continue working, and there are such statutes, then they are authorized to keep on keepin' on. You may not agree that closing the parks is an essential service, but the agency is apparently claiming that it is essential because there is property there that needs protecting, and that's one of the essential tasks. If you don't like it, petition your government for a redress of grievances, call your Congressman to have them put a stop to it, go out there and protest, file suit, or whatever.

Sorry, I disagree and I wish I could take it to court. "Essential" work does not include doing things that are not ordinarily done, like closing down the National Mall. That's not only not "essential" that's a complete and unlawful reversal of standing policy and it's performing illegal work not authorized by an appropriation. The NPS has the authority to protect the monuments against ACTUAL harm, so they may continue their ordinary and routine patrols, but if no harm is threatened, rangers have no authority to eject a peaceable assembly by the public on federal property that is otherwise open to public use, particularly THAT federal property, which the Supreme Court has ruled is absolutely and unequivocally a First Amendment-protected public forum and has always been open 24/7/365.

[pErvinalia]

Group files ethics complaint against Neugebauer

A Washington, D.C. watchdog group filed an ethics complaint against U.S. Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Lubbock, for his spat with a park ranger at the National World War II Memorial this week.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington filed a complaint Friday with the Office of Congressional Ethics against Neugebauer “for conduct that reflects discreditably upon the House,” according to a news release from the organization.

“Rep. Neugebauer’s mistreatment of a federal employee who was doing her job is disgraceful,” Melanie Sloan, the group’s executive director, said in a news release. “The blame for the government shutdown and the resulting closure of the memorials lies squarely on the shoulders of lawmakers like Rep. Neugebauer who refuse to fund our government.”

The group claims Neugebauer’s conduct violates House Rule 23, which requires all members of the House conduct themselves “at all times in a manner that reflects creditably on the House.”

“By publicly assailing a federal employee who was acting in accordance with the will of the House and attempting to coerce the ranger to allow access to the memorial — despite the fact that federal law requires its closure — Rep. Neugebauer abused his position,” the release states.

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http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/201 ... neugebauer

The Park Service closed the memorial after the partial government shutdown this week, keeping veterans and others out of the site.

“How do you look at them and say ... deny them access. I don’t get that,” Neugebauer asks the ranger in the video.

The ranger responds: “It’s difficult.”

“Well, it should be,” Neugebauer responds. “Park Service should be ashamed of themselves.”

“I’m not ashamed,” the ranger says.

“Well, you should be,” Neugebauer responds.

To paraphrase slightly, all that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men (or women) do nothing.

"I vas chust followink orders" as an excuse for illegal actions went out at Nuremberg.

Godwin. Well done.

[Coito ergo sum]

Sorry, I disagree and I wish I could take it to court. "Essential" work does not include doing things that are not ordinarily done, like closing down the National Mall. That's not only not "essential" that's a complete and unlawful reversal of standing policy and it's performing illegal work not authorized by an appropriation. The NPS has the authority to protect the monuments against ACTUAL harm, so they may continue their ordinary and routine patrols, but if no harm is threatened, rangers have no authority to eject a peaceable assembly by the public on federal property that is otherwise open to public use, particularly THAT federal property, which the Supreme Court has ruled is absolutely and unequivocally a First Amendment-protected public forum and has always been open 24/7/365.

Of course it means things that aren't ordinarily done. Essential to the preservation of property and safety is the main issue there, and yes, if there is a shutdown, there is statutory authority for the agency to cordon off properties that need protecting. They don't just have to walk off the job leaving the Lincoln Memorial or the National Mall unattended.

It's not only ordinary and routine patrols. If the safety of people and property requires an allocation of resources beyond the ordinary, then they can do it. In a shutdown, there is very good reason to cordon areas off and do unordinary stuff. There aren't the ordinary numbers of workers doing their ordinary things during the non-ordinary shutdown.

Not all federal property or monuments are open 24-7, and the supreme court doesn't require them to be so.

[Coito ergo sum]

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[Audley Strange]

Good pics. I've been saying for a while that the media are the prime shit stirrers these days, they thrive on it. No solutions, no positivity, just alarmist political rhetoric.

[JimC]

Good pics. I've been saying for a while that the media are the prime shit stirrers these days, they thrive on it. No solutions, no positivity, just alarmist political rhetoric.

Indeed! They make our Scrumple look like a little ray of sunshine!

[Collector1337]

Dude, I'm on dial up now. Don't make me say it again!

Dude, what the fuck?

I thought you were one of those who lived in so-called "civilized society" yet you're on dial up?

What the fuck year is it? 1996?

Can't you just get free government high-speed internet?

You know, because socialism is so awesome. What gives?

[cronus]

You'll all starve before the spring. Don't worry there are no answers I've checked.

Media are dead wrong....no bang only a prolonged whimper....

[laklak]

You'll all starve before the spring. Don't worry there are no answers I've checked.

Not me. I'll just cure up a batch of "long bacon". Most of the long pigs around here are old and stringy, so maybe pulled long pork is a better idea.

[Seth]

You'll all starve before the spring. Don't worry there are no answers I've checked.

Not me. I'll just cure up a batch of "long bacon". Most of the long pigs around here are old and stringy, so maybe pulled long pork is a better idea.

Oh hell, all the ones around here are incredibly obese. I can render them to make tallow, candles, soap and other stuff and still eat tender, tasty long pig.

And then there's the hogs....