Would You Torture a Baby to End World Suffering?

[cowiz]

This was asked on RD.net and as some of you lot are banned from that site, I thought I'd bring it over here for discussion.

IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please read the following before voting.

I chanced upon this scenario a few years ago on the internet and I'm quite interested in discussing it with others on this forum.

Imagine that you could take away all the pain in the world -- all the hunger, all the wars, all the violence, and all the poverty. Imagine that the world could become a perfect place of harmony and tranquility. Imagine that you alone could make it happen. Would you do it? The majority of people would say yes.

However, there are strings attached to making the world a perfect place. You must first torture a baby to death. The method of torture must involve the following: burning, dismembering, stabbing with knives, and beating.

Now would you do it?

As this is a serious thread I omitted the "Cheese" option

Here is my response to get the ball moving.

The "end justifies the means" is a tempting argument, but in the final analysis must be wrong. To take action to inflict harm on someone, no matter how good or bad the outcome, has to be a morally bankrupt position. "Slippery slope" springs to mind also. Now we have killed and tortured one baby, we may as well do another if it makes the strawberry harvest taste even better this year.

So I vote a resounding "no"

PS - if god told me to do it then it is of course totally justified.....

[Xamonas Chegwé]

If it would take away all of the suffering in the world, that would perforce include that felt by the tortured baby. Therefore - yes.

[Mallardz]

Sure.

But in reality..... Have to decide at the time. I really wouldn't know.....

[cowiz]

If it would take away all of the suffering in the world, that would perforce include that felt by the tortured baby. Therefore - yes.

How would your conscience feel about it after wards? Could you live with what you had done?

[Ace]

I would say no. We sort the world out together through some other means that is morally sound. I would never result to torture no matter how good the out come.

[AshtonBlack]

If it would take away all of the suffering in the world, that would perforce include that felt by the tortured baby. Therefore - yes.

How would your conscience feel about it after wards? Could you live with what you had done?

Yes and I would sleep very well.

[Beelzebub2]

No, definitely no. Wrong means don't lead to a right end.

That baby life is just as important as anyone else's.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

If it would take away all of the suffering in the world, that would perforce include that felt by the tortured baby. Therefore - yes.

How would your conscience feel about it after wards? Could you live with what you had done?

But there would be no suffering afterwards - that would include any suffering due to guilt.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I've seen people who believed killing infants would change the world. Many of them will never know if what they did changed anything.

[AshtonBlack]

If it would take away all of the suffering in the world, that would perforce include that felt by the tortured baby. Therefore - yes.

How would your conscience feel about it after wards? Could you live with what you had done?

Yes and I would sleep very well.

I'd just like to add, it's something that could never happen, obviously. So please place my answer in context.

[Mallardz]

If it would take away all of the suffering in the world, that would perforce include that felt by the tortured baby. Therefore - yes.

How would your conscience feel about it after wards? Could you live with what you had done?

But there would be no suffering afterwards - that would include any suffering due to guilt.

The above wins an award as my favourite person on the forum. Logical person.

Surely;
The greater good
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the some one

And the life of a baby is short humans could be around for millions of years surely the action would not have an effect for just our time but onwards for the whole of our planets existence. Even after humanity.

[Feck]

What you you mean would I beat the skin off it dislocate it's shoulders and then eventually cut it's throat because that's my culture ?
Or are you asking if I would reel it in on the end of a harpoon then hoist it 's tail up on a winch and watch it spend 45 mins drowning ?
Or are you asking if I would cut off it's fins and tail and then throw it back into the sea to die slowly ?
Or do I get to smash it's head open and eat it's brains alive ?

DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ........YOU meant HUMAN suffering ,A fucking drop in the ocean .......YOU WANT TO SWAP ONE HUMAN BABY FOR A WORLD OF PAIN ?

DO WANT PICTURES ???????????

HUMANISTS

[Mallardz]

What you you mean would I beat the skin off it dislocate it's shoulders and then eventually cut it's throat because that's my culture ?
Or are you asking if I would reel it in on the end of a harpoon then hoist it 's tail up on a winch and watch it spend 45 mins drowning ?
Or are you asking if I would cut off it's fins and tail and then throw it back into the sea to die slowly ?
Or do I get to smash it's head open and eat it's brains alive ?

DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ........YOU meant HUMAN suffering ,A fucking drop in the ocean .......YOU WANT TO SWAP ONE HUMAN BABY FOR A WORLD OF PAIN ?

DO WANT PICTURES ???????????

HUMANISTS

nutt changed name too

[Ace]

Surely;
The greater good
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the some one

And the life of a baby is short humans could be around for millions of years surely the action would not have an effect for just our time but onwards for the whole of our planets existence. Even after humanity.

It's mankinds fault for being in the current state that it is. Resulting in torture of an infant for a short cut to our perfect would without any work being done to make it is a very cheap, curruptive and evil way to go about it, we'd have nothing to look back on in archivement of our actions. We made this mess, we clean it up. Even if it was possible to end all our problems that we made by ending an inocent life, I would never support it. If we want a perfect world, we need to build it.

Well that's just me.

[cowiz]

What you you mean would I beat the skin off it dislocate it's shoulders and then eventually cut it's throat because that's my culture ?
Or are you asking if I would reel it in on the end of a harpoon then hoist it 's tail up on a winch and watch it spend 45 mins drowning ?
Or are you asking if I would cut off it's fins and tail and then throw it back into the sea to die slowly ?
Or do I get to smash it's head open and eat it's brains alive ?

DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ........YOU meant HUMAN suffering ,A fucking drop in the ocean .......YOU WANT TO SWAP ONE HUMAN BABY FOR A WORLD OF PAIN ?

DO WANT PICTURES ???????????

HUMANISTS

Actually, I wouldn't do any of those things either. I don't hunt, or fish, or engage in cruelty to animals.