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Re: Those sexually predatory 12 year old girls!

Post by colubridae » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:02 pm

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rEvolutionist wrote: I see that. But it shouldn't have taken people pointing out the double-standard for it to be acted on. Both of them should have got warned, or neither of them.
This is the first, and probably the last time, that we will be in complete agreement. :o
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Re: Those sexually predatory 12 year old girls!

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:05 pm

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Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Seth,

The following posts contain direct personal attacks on another member.
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 8#p1482128
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 3#p1482123
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 7#p1482107

This is a warning that any similar posts will result in an immediate 24h suspension of your account.
Ridiculous. Seth was responding to accusations that he is a paedophile. If he is warned, the person doing the provocation should be warned as well.
I called this in some time ago. It was reviewed and dealt with. :whisper:
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Re: Those sexually predatory 12 year old girls!

Post by pErvinalia » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:21 pm

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Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Seth,

The following posts contain direct personal attacks on another member.
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 8#p1482128
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 3#p1482123
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 7#p1482107

This is a warning that any similar posts will result in an immediate 24h suspension of your account.
Ridiculous. Seth was responding to accusations that he is a paedophile. If he is warned, the person doing the provocation should be warned as well.
I called this in some time ago. It was reviewed and dealt with. :whisper:
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 5#p1483525
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Re: Those sexually predatory 12 year old girls!

Post by FBM » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:27 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:...But it shouldn't have taken people pointing out the double-standard for it to be acted on. Both of them should have got warned, or neither of them.

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All it really takes is for someone to hit the report button so that staff can see what happened. We try very hard to police ourselves to make sure that we're not showing favoritism.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:44 pm

You know I love you, Eff, but you didn't need no report button to see where Z called S a paedophile. It was the direct reason why Seth was telling him to fuck off, or whatever he said. The moderating system here is totally ad hoc. I don't really care, as it's so lax that it's not really a problem. But when it starts becoming a bit more pervasive, then it does become a problem, IMO.
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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:03 pm

The one-sided nature of the incident was spotted by a mod and the situation was duly dealt with by the mods. :dunno:
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:05 pm

After it was raised in this thread by a number of people. Or do you mean that one of those people was a mod? If so, why were they raising it in this thread?

edit: hang on.. what do you mean by "one-sided nature of the incident"? The Gawdzilla v Seth thing wasn't one sided.
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Re: Those sexually predatory 12 year old girls!

Post by FBM » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:24 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:You know I love you, Eff, but you didn't need no report button to see where Z called S a paedophile. It was the direct reason why Seth was telling him to fuck off, or whatever he said. The moderating system here is totally ad hoc. I don't really care, as it's so lax that it's not really a problem. But when it starts becoming a bit more pervasive, then it does become a problem, IMO.
As for me specifically, I'm not around much right now. I'm working a summer program that takes up most of my posting time. I didn't see anything at first simply because I don't get to read as many of the threads/posts as usual. IIRC, staff were discussing both sides of the exchange. I would like things to be dealt with more promptly, too, but the fact is that we're all volunteers with daily lives to deal with. If a discussion is going on that no mod has been very active in, or if the exchange happens while engaged mods are working, sleeping, etc, we do indeed have to depend on somone pushing the report button. And even if we are discussing both sides of such an exchange, that doesn't necessarily mean that both sides will be dealt with simultaneously. Sometimes it takes longer to get a consensus on one side or the other for various reasons.

But I do appreciate the concern about favoritism. I don't think this case is an example of it, though.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:32 pm

What I'm saying is that there was no need to report the posts are they are quoted by Seth directly above his "go fuck yourself" comments. They couldn't have been missed. So the mods (whoever they were in the initial decision) thought that Zilla's comments were acceptable. That's the problem. They were clearly attacks, and Zilla fired the first salvo. I (and others, from earlier in the thread) don't understand what discussion could possibly be needed. Zilla implied that Seth was a paedophile. What additionally is there to discuss? :dunno:
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Post by FBM » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:41 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:What I'm saying is that there was no need to report the posts are they are quoted by Seth directly above his "go fuck yourself" comments. They couldn't have been missed. So the mods (whoever they were in the initial decision) thought that Zilla's comments were acceptable. That's the problem. They were clearly attacks, and Zilla fired the first salvo. I (and others, from earlier in the thread) don't understand what discussion could possibly be needed. Zilla implied that Seth was a paedophile. What additionally is there to discuss? :dunno:
For one thing, whether or not this or that participant had had a reminder recently. We also discuss relative severity of the comments and look to past incidents for precedents. We also discuss whether or not to treat more than one post as a single incident if they were posted in rapid succession. We discuss whether it constitutes a personal attack or a violation of the Play Nice rule, neither or both. But everything still depends on arriving at a consensus by vote, and with staff popping in and out irregularly and unpredictably, decisions may not arrive at a uniform pace.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:45 pm

Fairy nuff.
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Re: Those sexually predatory 12 year old girls!

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:47 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:After it was raised in this thread by a number of people. Or do you mean that one of those people was a mod? If so, why were they raising it in this thread?

edit: hang on.. what do you mean by "one-sided nature of the incident"? The Gawdzilla v Seth thing wasn't one sided.
The way it was initially reported.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:57 pm

I'm still not following what you are saying.

I don't think it really matters that much. The mods made the right decision in the end, IMO. But there's a couple of off things about it. XC said that there weren't any attacks on Seth and made it out to be all Seth's fault. His post made it sound like the mods had made a decision that Zilla was off free. But then a few people pointed out the apparent double-standard, and then it was mentioned that the mods would discuss it.
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Re: Those sexually predatory 12 year old girls!

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:23 pm

His post made it sound like the mods had made a decision that Zilla was off free.
I can find no such conversation in the mod forum.

Yes, there was something off about the decision and that was rectified as promtly as it could have been so I don't see your need to bring it up.
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Re: Those sexually predatory 12 year old girls!

Post by Warren Dew » Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:24 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:What I'm saying is that there was no need to report the posts are they are quoted by Seth directly above his "go fuck yourself" comments. They couldn't have been missed. So the mods (whoever they were in the initial decision) thought that Zilla's comments were acceptable. That's the problem. They were clearly attacks, and Zilla fired the first salvo. I (and others, from earlier in the thread) don't understand what discussion could possibly be needed. Zilla implied that Seth was a paedophile. What additionally is there to discuss? :dunno:
It was obvious to those of us who were following the thread. It might not have been as obvious to someone who was just looking at the reported post and skimming the immediately preceding posts - and as FBM pointed out, it might have taken more time for staff to reach a consensus since they would have to understand the relationship between the posts.

No one is perfect, and ultimately they did reach the right conclusion. I think the staff here do a far better job at moderating contentious threads than at most other forums.

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