Seth wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:I agree, Lak. And, when the drinking age was 18, that kind of age-fraud was easier, I think. Now that bars in the US are generally limited to 21 and over, a 13 year old would be much harder pressed to look of age, and they are far more strict on identification than they were 25-30 years ago. When I was in college, there were still folks who had drivers licenses with no photo on it. I remember using one to buy a keg of beer.
I really don't get too outraged over the idea of a guy who is 41 not getting to fuck a 17 or 16 or 15 year old, whatever the age cutoff is. I think there is something wrong with a man that age looking to go after a highschool girl or younger. I mean, what do they have in common? To me, the likelihood of any common interests, thoughts, dreams, wishes, etc. is slim to none. It's really about the sex and sex alone. That's fine, and having raucous orgy swinger sex without attachment is just fine and dandy. However, when it comes to a high school girl and a middle schooler, I think that they ought to grow up first before they engage in it. That's my opinion. I have a daughter, and when she gets older, my first concern is not whether someone who fancies her gets to have sex with her, and I don't feel any sort of outrage or sadness over the fact that some 40 year old doesn't get to play with her that way.
I realize that girls will have sexual thoughts and urges at pubescence and onward, and they will likely want to feel grown up and interact with older people and feel popular and feel good and even might think they honestly want to do all sorts of things with an older person. I just think the older person should refrain, and that there is nothing to lose from the child's standpoint that the adult does refrain. There is a lot to lose for a child if the adult does not refrain -- the girl can be led on, get seriously emotionally hurt, feel used, regret her actions, get pregnant, all sorts of things short of "rape" but which are nevertheless things I wouldn't mind a 12 year old waiting a few years to endure.
I agree with everything you just wrote. What I don't agree with is making it a crime, with penalties more severe than shooting someone in a holdup (25 to life mandatory in some states), if it happens.
And the most common purveyor of trauma to a young girl's emotional health, self-esteem and physical health isn't the 41 year old, not by half...it's her horny and inexperienced male peers who just want to stick it in as a conquest and then dump her.
Like the French, if I had a daughter who was determined to have sex, I'd prefer it be with a stable, mature, sensitive and caring adult who has been properly vetted and interviewed to ensure that the experience is pleasurable, enjoyable and not traumatic.
And this is because I can remember my fumbling, inept and entirely selfish sexual needs when I was a horny teenager. Like most teenage boys, I only feigned interest in a girl if I was sexually attracted to her and wanted to get into her pants, and I knew absolutely nothing whatever about how to make it a mutually pleasurable and fulfilling intimate experience.
My first time was a desperate and ultimately unsuccessful attempt with a perfectly willing girl in a secluded teacher's lockable bathroom in my junior high school. Trust me, it was all about hard cock and wet pussy and nothing else...for both of us. We both went away extremely frustrated.
I bet she'd rather have had a lovely romantic evening with a sophisticated and gentle older man culminating in a candle-lit deflowering on a comfortable bed after substantial foreplay. And if I had a daughter, I'd want exactly that for her. I loathe the culture that makes teenage sex so stigmatic that it becomes a furtive, secret, stressful and usually unsatisfactory event full of shame and guilt. What an awful way to introduce young people to the most beautiful act two humans can engage in.
Perhaps if you got to know me, you wouldn't continually say patently stupid things in reply to me.