"If you dislike feminism ... "

[Cormac]

It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes. It's harder and requires more care to do so for women. What's so fucking cowardly and dishonest there?

If I misinterpreted what you mean, fair enough. I'm still not sure how though.

...and, I disagree with this:

It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes

I don't thing women or men have superior facilities to detect bullshit. Neither do I see why it would be harder to detect bullshit from a woman, or why more care should be taken. Are women made of cotton wool? None of my four sisters are. Neither is my mother or mother in law. Neither were either of my grandmothers. All successful women who never let notions of what women should and shouldn't do ever limit them.

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness

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No. It was a mendacious and opportunistic prick of a demagogue called Pee Zed Myers deliberately stirring up a controversy out of nothing for his own personal profit.

Be careless criticizing people whose goals you largely support and you can fuck up and find yourself looking like your own enemy. That's not just a feminist or A+ thing. That's life in general.

The problem with this is that it gives far too much leeway to erstwhile comrades in arms to go squirrelly, and destroy the entire "movement" through their actions.

[Seth]

It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes. It's harder and requires more care to do so for women. What's so fucking cowardly and dishonest there?

You know what I've heard from A+ in the last few months? They made a program to make it easy for people to ignore other people on Twitter.

Oh, and apparently we're clueless wankers living in a bubble for not knowing it.

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.

Be careless criticizing people whose goals you largely support and you can fuck up and find yourself looking like your own enemy. That's not just a feminist or A+ thing. That's life in general.

If these people are so shallow and narrowminded as to turn on you because you criticize them, who needs them as friends anyway. Such intolerance is intolerable.

[Cormac]

It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes. It's harder and requires more care to do so for women. What's so fucking cowardly and dishonest there?

You know what I've heard from A+ in the last few months? They made a program to make it easy for people to ignore other people on Twitter.

Oh, and apparently we're clueless wankers living in a bubble for not knowing it.

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.

Be careless criticizing people whose goals you largely support and you can fuck up and find yourself looking like your own enemy. That's not just a feminist or A+ thing. That's life in general.

If these people are so shallow and narrowminded as to turn on you because you criticize them, who needs them as friends anyway. Such intolerance is intolerable.

[Robert_S]

It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes. It's harder and requires more care to do so for women. What's so fucking cowardly and dishonest there?

If I misinterpreted what you mean, fair enough. I'm still not sure how though.

...and, I disagree with this:

It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes

I don't thing women or men have superior facilities to detect bullshit. Neither do I see why it would be harder to detect bullshit from a woman, or why more care should be taken. Are women made of cotton wool? None of my four sisters are. Neither is my mother or mother in law. Neither were either of my grandmothers. All successful women who never let notions of what women should and shouldn't do ever limit them.

Stuff like that line between victim blaming and absolving personal responsibility.

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness

.

No. It was a mendacious and opportunistic prick of a demagogue called Pee Zed Myers deliberately stirring up a controversy out of nothing for his own personal profit.

Be careless criticizing people whose goals you largely support and you can fuck up and find yourself looking like your own enemy. That's not just a feminist or A+ thing. That's life in general.

The problem with this is that it gives far too much leeway to erstwhile comrades in arms to go squirrelly, and destroy the entire "movement" through their actions.

I'm not saying don't attack the ideas if you see holes. I'm saying that a blind charge won't get you a victory.

[Pappa]

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.

Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.

[Robert_S]

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.

Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.

You didn't make an offhand comment in some thread somewhere. You started a thread in a public area of the forum. You said you knew it would cause a shitstorm.

Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.

[Pappa]

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.

Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.

You didn't make an offhand comment in some thread somewhere. You started a thread in a public area of the forum. You said you knew it would cause a shitstorm.

Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.

No, I never said I thought it would cause a shitstorm. Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!

Plus, "go fuck yourself"? Fuck off.

[Seth]

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.

Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.

You didn't make an offhand comment in some thread somewhere. You started a thread in a public area of the forum. You said you knew it would cause a shitstorm.

Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.

So what? Shitstorms are very often highly enlightening and sometimes highly amusing.

[Pappa]

Honestly, I never ever ever thought anyone would ever notice my thread. I said that many times to people who were on staff and not at the time. You read all those, I know not more what I can say.

[Robert_S]

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.

Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.

You didn't make an offhand comment in some thread somewhere. You started a thread in a public area of the forum. You said you knew it would cause a shitstorm.

Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.

No, I never said I thought it would cause a shitstorm. Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!

Plus, "go fuck yourself"? Fuck off.

[Robert_S]

OK Pappa, maybe you didn't say that and i'm misremembering in which case I'm sorry about bearing false witness.

Or maybe it was in the mod section that I no longer have access to, in which case I'm sorry about breaking confidentiality.

But in any case, it's nothing I care to go through again.

[Audley Strange]

Satire or woman hating misogyny?

[Robert_S]

Satire or woman hating misogyny?

Satire and well done.

It doesn't make use of sexist tropes and it isn't really hostile to anyone. It pokes fun at the lingo and it looks like the person put some thought and work into it.

[Seth]

Satire or woman hating misogyny?

Satire and well done.

It doesn't make use of sexist tropes and it isn't really hostile to anyone. It pokes fun at the lingo and it looks like the person put some thought and work into it.

The unadvertised feature is that if it detects misogynistic tendencies it automatically removes the offensive weapon.

I hear they are going to trademark the name "Vorpal Blade."

Snicker-snack!

[Pappa]

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.

Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.

You didn't make an offhand comment in some thread somewhere. You started a thread in a public area of the forum. You said you knew it would cause a shitstorm.

Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.

No, I never said I thought it would cause a shitstorm. Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!

Plus, "go fuck yourself"? Fuck off.

Edit...

In other words:

I feel you've misrepresented me multiple times and I'm annoyed about that.