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Post by Cormac » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:56 pm

Robert_S wrote:It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes. It's harder and requires more care to do so for women. What's so fucking cowardly and dishonest there?
If I misinterpreted what you mean, fair enough. I'm still not sure how though.

...and, I disagree with this:
It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes
I don't thing women or men have superior facilities to detect bullshit. Neither do I see why it would be harder to detect bullshit from a woman, or why more care should be taken. Are women made of cotton wool? None of my four sisters are. Neither is my mother or mother in law. Neither were either of my grandmothers. All successful women who never let notions of what women should and shouldn't do ever limit them.

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness
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No. It was a mendacious and opportunistic prick of a demagogue called Pee Zed Myers deliberately stirring up a controversy out of nothing for his own personal profit.
Be careless criticizing people whose goals you largely support and you can fuck up and find yourself looking like your own enemy. That's not just a feminist or A+ thing. That's life in general.

The problem with this is that it gives far too much leeway to erstwhile comrades in arms to go squirrelly, and destroy the entire "movement" through their actions.
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Post by Seth » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:01 pm

Robert_S wrote:It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes. It's harder and requires more care to do so for women. What's so fucking cowardly and dishonest there?

You know what I've heard from A+ in the last few months? They made a program to make it easy for people to ignore other people on Twitter.

Oh, and apparently we're clueless wankers living in a bubble for not knowing it.

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.

Be careless criticizing people whose goals you largely support and you can fuck up and find yourself looking like your own enemy. That's not just a feminist or A+ thing. That's life in general.
If these people are so shallow and narrowminded as to turn on you because you criticize them, who needs them as friends anyway. Such intolerance is intolerable.
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Post by Cormac » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:28 pm

Seth wrote:
Robert_S wrote:It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes. It's harder and requires more care to do so for women. What's so fucking cowardly and dishonest there?

You know what I've heard from A+ in the last few months? They made a program to make it easy for people to ignore other people on Twitter.

Oh, and apparently we're clueless wankers living in a bubble for not knowing it.

And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.

Be careless criticizing people whose goals you largely support and you can fuck up and find yourself looking like your own enemy. That's not just a feminist or A+ thing. That's life in general.
If these people are so shallow and narrowminded as to turn on you because you criticize them, who needs them as friends anyway. Such intolerance is intolerable.

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Post by Robert_S » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:38 pm

Cormac wrote:
Robert_S wrote:It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes. It's harder and requires more care to do so for women. What's so fucking cowardly and dishonest there?
If I misinterpreted what you mean, fair enough. I'm still not sure how though.

...and, I disagree with this:
It's easier for feminists to see and address problems in men's attitudes
I don't thing women or men have superior facilities to detect bullshit. Neither do I see why it would be harder to detect bullshit from a woman, or why more care should be taken. Are women made of cotton wool? None of my four sisters are. Neither is my mother or mother in law. Neither were either of my grandmothers. All successful women who never let notions of what women should and shouldn't do ever limit them.

Stuff like that line between victim blaming and absolving personal responsibility.
And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness
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No. It was a mendacious and opportunistic prick of a demagogue called Pee Zed Myers deliberately stirring up a controversy out of nothing for his own personal profit.
Be careless criticizing people whose goals you largely support and you can fuck up and find yourself looking like your own enemy. That's not just a feminist or A+ thing. That's life in general.

The problem with this is that it gives far too much leeway to erstwhile comrades in arms to go squirrelly, and destroy the entire "movement" through their actions.
I'm not saying don't attack the ideas if you see holes. I'm saying that a blind charge won't get you a victory.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Pappa » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:40 pm

Robert_S wrote:And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.
Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.
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Post by Robert_S » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:13 pm

Pappa wrote:
Robert_S wrote:And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.
Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.
You didn't make an offhand comment in some thread somewhere. You started a thread in a public area of the forum. You said you knew it would cause a shitstorm.

Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.
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Post by Pappa » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:30 pm

Robert_S wrote:
Pappa wrote:
Robert_S wrote:And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.
Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.
You didn't make an offhand comment in some thread somewhere. You started a thread in a public area of the forum. You said you knew it would cause a shitstorm.

Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.
No, I never said I thought it would cause a shitstorm. Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!

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Post by Seth » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:32 pm

Robert_S wrote:
Pappa wrote:
Robert_S wrote:And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.
Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.
You didn't make an offhand comment in some thread somewhere. You started a thread in a public area of the forum. You said you knew it would cause a shitstorm.

Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.
So what? Shitstorms are very often highly enlightening and sometimes highly amusing.
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Post by Pappa » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:33 pm

Honestly, I never ever ever thought anyone would ever notice my thread. I said that many times to people who were on staff and not at the time. You read all those, I know not more what I can say.

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Post by Robert_S » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:40 pm

Pappa wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Pappa wrote:
Robert_S wrote:And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.
Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.
You didn't make an offhand comment in some thread somewhere. You started a thread in a public area of the forum. You said you knew it would cause a shitstorm.

Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.
No, I never said I thought it would cause a shitstorm. Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!

Plus, "go fuck yourself"? Fuck off.
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Post by Robert_S » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:46 pm

OK Pappa, maybe you didn't say that and i'm misremembering in which case I'm sorry about bearing false witness.

Or maybe it was in the mod section that I no longer have access to, in which case I'm sorry about breaking confidentiality.

But in any case, it's nothing I care to go through again.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Satire or woman hating misogyny?
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Post by Robert_S » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:54 pm

Audley Strange wrote:Image

Satire or woman hating misogyny?
Satire and well done.

It doesn't make use of sexist tropes and it isn't really hostile to anyone. It pokes fun at the lingo and it looks like the person put some thought and work into it.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Seth » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:04 am

Robert_S wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:Image

Satire or woman hating misogyny?
Satire and well done.

It doesn't make use of sexist tropes and it isn't really hostile to anyone. It pokes fun at the lingo and it looks like the person put some thought and work into it.
The unadvertised feature is that if it detects misogynistic tendencies it automatically removes the offensive weapon.

I hear they are going to trademark the name "Vorpal Blade."

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Re: "If you dislike feminism ... "

Post by Pappa » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:13 am

Robert_S wrote:
Pappa wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Pappa wrote:
Robert_S wrote:And what exactly was it that got us all branded as rape promoters? Carelessness.
Seriously? Carelessness of looking over our shoulder in case the nutters arrive? Bollocks.
You didn't make an offhand comment in some thread somewhere. You started a thread in a public area of the forum. You said you knew it would cause a shitstorm.

Go fuck yourself with that bullshit.
No, I never said I thought it would cause a shitstorm. Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!

Plus, "go fuck yourself"? Fuck off.
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I feel you've misrepresented me multiple times and I'm annoyed about that.

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