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by Animavore » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:38 pm
Coito ergo sum wrote:Clinton Huxley wrote:Given that this information has come out into the public domain, how would you expect Germany and France to react?
Also interesting to note that Germany is spending $100 million on its own Internet monitoring programme. The German foreign intelligence service has more than 6000 employees, I doubt they are just twiddling their thumbs.
If they were doing it themselves, I would expect them not to make a tremendous fuss about it publicly, because they're liable to be found out and look like like lying hypocrites. Unless, of course, the Yerpeeins are just so much better at covert surveillance that there just is no reasonable chance of them being found out....
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by Animavore » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:41 pm
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by Clinton Huxley » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:42 pm
You may even be a member......a very sleepy sleeper agent......
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by Animavore » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:44 pm
Clinton Huxley wrote:
You may even be a member......a very sleepy sleeper agent......
Maybe I'm just waiting for that phone call which will have the phrase that triggers me

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by Coito ergo sum » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:49 pm
Clinton Huxley wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:Clinton Huxley wrote:Given that this information has come out into the public domain, how would you expect Germany and France to react?
Also interesting to note that Germany is spending $100 million on its own Internet monitoring programme. The German foreign intelligence service has more than 6000 employees, I doubt they are just twiddling their thumbs.
If they were doing it themselves, I would expect them not to make a tremendous fuss about it publicly, because they're liable to be found out and look like like lying hypocrites. Unless, of course, the Yerpeeins are just so much better at covert surveillance that there just is no reasonable chance of them being found out....
I think a) they are doing it themselves, though probably to a lesser degree, b) the outrage is mostly spin, going through the motions. As for the risk that politicians may end up looking like lying hypocrites....well, that never happens.
So, the long and short of your view on Merkin' placing listening devices in private locations within the offices of friendly governments is..... no big deal?
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by Clinton Huxley » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:51 pm
Coito ergo sum wrote:Clinton Huxley wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:Clinton Huxley wrote:Given that this information has come out into the public domain, how would you expect Germany and France to react?
Also interesting to note that Germany is spending $100 million on its own Internet monitoring programme. The German foreign intelligence service has more than 6000 employees, I doubt they are just twiddling their thumbs.
If they were doing it themselves, I would expect them not to make a tremendous fuss about it publicly, because they're liable to be found out and look like like lying hypocrites. Unless, of course, the Yerpeeins are just so much better at covert surveillance that there just is no reasonable chance of them being found out....
I think a) they are doing it themselves, though probably to a lesser degree, b) the outrage is mostly spin, going through the motions. As for the risk that politicians may end up looking like lying hypocrites....well, that never happens.
So, the long and short of your view on Merkin' placing listening devices in private locations within the offices of friendly governments is..... no big deal?
I didn't say I liked it. I just always assumed it was going on.
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by Coito ergo sum » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:52 pm
Clinton Huxley wrote:
I didn't say I liked it. I just always assumed it was going on.
What don't you like about it?
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by Clinton Huxley » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:55 pm
Coito ergo sum wrote:Clinton Huxley wrote:
I didn't say I liked it. I just always assumed it was going on.
What don't you like about it?
What do you like about it?
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by Rum » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:02 pm
The bigger the bugger the more they bug is my guess.
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by Coito ergo sum » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:06 pm
Clinton Huxley wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:Clinton Huxley wrote:
I didn't say I liked it. I just always assumed it was going on.
What don't you like about it?
What do you like about it?
I don't like anything about it.
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by Clinton Huxley » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:06 pm
Coito ergo sum wrote:Clinton Huxley wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:Clinton Huxley wrote:
I didn't say I liked it. I just always assumed it was going on.
What don't you like about it?
What do you like about it?
I don't like anything about it.
George Bush started it all.
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by mistermack » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:12 pm
The answer to bugging is to lay a false info trap.
The bugger is wide open to it, and the more you do it, the less their bugging is worth.
In the end, it's worthless, because you don't know whether to believe it or not.
While there is a market for shit, there will be assholes to supply it.
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by Rum » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:18 pm
I suspect most of the bugging that is of value is large volume stuff - 'data mining' and all that.
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by Coito ergo sum » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:27 pm
Clinton Huxley wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:Clinton Huxley wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:Clinton Huxley wrote:
I didn't say I liked it. I just always assumed it was going on.
What don't you like about it?
What do you like about it?
I don't like anything about it.
George Bush started it all.
Not sure that's true, but assuming it is, arguendo, there is plenty I didn't like about George Bush. And, even if Bush did start it all, that does not mean the current President is resigned to follow that lead. Bush has not been President for 4 1/2 years, and surely it is, by now, the current Administration's responsibility to determine which foreign governments are spied upon. Wouldn't you agree?
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