Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:05 pm

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/04/30/ ... n-america/
DETROIT (WWJ) - It’s a clean sweep for Detroit, but nothing to be proud of, as the city takes the top three spots on a list of the most dangerous neighborhoods in America.

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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Robert_S » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:11 pm

mistermack wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote: Detroit was a monoculture, so when the reason died, so did the city. Chicago is diverse, and also the largest city in the central US.
That doesn't explain why a place with cheap property, lots of labour looking for work, and free access to the US market, can't attract business.
Not everybody trades within a few blocks of their HQ. these days. Just because Detroit is suffering, that doesn't stop businesses snapping up all this cheap infrastructure.

The Germans are paying millions, for buildings like that. And still selling stuff all round the USA.
Detroit has huge advantages over Dortmund. Cheap labour, cheap property, and cheap shipping to the USA.

Something's wrong with capitalism here, if it can't adjust to conditions.
But was it a place where people liked to live? Was there much in the way of culture, arts, entertainment, architecture, parks, and all the other things that make a city attractive?
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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Tyrannical » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:14 pm

JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:Reminds me a lot of areas around Chernobyl.

...Hasn't Detroit always been a bit of a shit-hole, though? :ask:
Not until the civil rights movement, it used to be the Paris of the West.
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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:17 pm

Robert_S wrote:
mistermack wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote: Detroit was a monoculture, so when the reason died, so did the city. Chicago is diverse, and also the largest city in the central US.
That doesn't explain why a place with cheap property, lots of labour looking for work, and free access to the US market, can't attract business.
Not everybody trades within a few blocks of their HQ. these days. Just because Detroit is suffering, that doesn't stop businesses snapping up all this cheap infrastructure.

The Germans are paying millions, for buildings like that. And still selling stuff all round the USA.
Detroit has huge advantages over Dortmund. Cheap labour, cheap property, and cheap shipping to the USA.

Something's wrong with capitalism here, if it can't adjust to conditions.
But was it a place where people liked to live? Was there much in the way of culture, arts, entertainment, architecture, parks, and all the other things that make a city attractive?
It was once referred to as the Paris of the West, because of its architecture, and especially when Washington Blvd was at its heyday.

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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Twoflower » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:18 pm

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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:20 pm

Twoflower wrote:There's a giant fist sculpture.
Yes, placed right there as the first thing you see when you come off of the Lodge and/or Route 94 and onto Jefferson Avenue downtown: a big, black fist.

It is Joe Louis' fist, of course, but it does make a statement as the first thing you see coming to downtown.

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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

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Coito ergo sum wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:Yes. Eventually there will be no need for cities at all and we will all live in endless suburbia. close to the omni-distribution centres where we all work part-time, maintaining robots or delivering crap to each other.
The socialist's dream. Evenly distribute the population to eliminate the distinction between cities and the countryside. It's one of the pillars of Marxist socialism.
Funny that it slots in so well with online based capitalism isn't it?
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There is no need for expenses like shops. Thus the cluster around the physical marketplace is not necessary. It is more cost efficient therefore profitable to have stuff delivered to customers within reach of one of your many distribution centres than it is for them to come for it, for both you and the customer. It's progress of an idea which has nearly come full circle, when the local businesses used to deliver, only corporate.
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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:22 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:Reminds me a lot of areas around Chernobyl.

...Hasn't Detroit always been a bit of a shit-hole, though? :ask:
Not until the civil rights movement, it used to be the Paris of the West.
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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:28 pm

Audley Strange wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:Yes. Eventually there will be no need for cities at all and we will all live in endless suburbia. close to the omni-distribution centres where we all work part-time, maintaining robots or delivering crap to each other.
The socialist's dream. Evenly distribute the population to eliminate the distinction between cities and the countryside. It's one of the pillars of Marxist socialism.
Funny that it slots in so well with online based capitalism isn't it?
I'm not sure I follah...
There is no need for expenses like shops. Thus the cluster around the physical marketplace is not necessary. It is more cost efficient therefore profitable to have stuff delivered to customers within reach of one of your many distribution centres than it is for them to come for it, for both you and the customer. It's progress of an idea which has nearly come full circle, when the local businesses used to deliver, only corporate.
Well, the centralization of population into urban areas has increased, not decreased.

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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:29 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:
JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:Reminds me a lot of areas around Chernobyl.

...Hasn't Detroit always been a bit of a shit-hole, though? :ask:
Not until the civil rights movement, it used to be the Paris of the West.
Monotonous moron is monotonous.
He is correct. However, he implies causation where that may not be the case. I will say there is a good argument that racism played a big role in it, though.

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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Tyrannical » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:11 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:
JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:Reminds me a lot of areas around Chernobyl.

...Hasn't Detroit always been a bit of a shit-hole, though? :ask:
Not until the civil rights movement, it used to be the Paris of the West.
Monotonous moron is monotonous.
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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:13 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Monotonous moron is monotonous.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Which is why I find your monotonous ranting insane.
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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Tyrannical » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:18 pm

Posts: 143326 - lame trolling attempts = ?

You probably aren't too old to try practicing rational discourse if you worked at it. Point, counter point instead of point, troll attempt.
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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:19 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Posts: 143326 - lame trolling attempts = ?

You probably aren't too old to try practicing rational discourse if you worked at it. Point, counter point instead of point, troll attempt.
Insane, demonstrably. Have you ever tried not being a bigot? You weren't born that way, it's a lifestyle choice. And a stupid one.
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Re: Detroit: The Shape of Things To Come?

Post by laklak » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:26 pm

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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