The conspiracy theorists are at it again! Skeetergate!

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Re: The conspiracy theorists are at it again! Skeetergate!

Post by Robert_S » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:39 pm

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Robert_S wrote:Obama's not trying to sell himself as pro gun. He's trying to portray himself as someone who has actually fired a gun.
It shows how ridiculous the right is with Obama. He was specifically asked if he'd ever shot a gun and he answered "Yes, we shoot skeet at Camp David all the time". Of course the nuts on the right then demanded proof, so Obama released a photo. Now the nuts are scrambling to prove the photo is a fake. It's the same dynamic as the birther issue.

And actually, it's just like arguing with creationists. When they ask, "where are the transitional fossils", they're not asking because they're genuinely interested in the answer; they're asking because they're convinced they don't exist and they think they've got you stumped. That's why no matter how many you show them, they'll continue to deny their existence.

It's the same here. They didn't ask Obama if he'd shot a gun because they really wanted to know; they asked because they were sure he never had.
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Re: The conspiracy theorists are at it again! Skeetergate!

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:40 pm

Gerald McGrew wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Obama's not trying to sell himself as pro gun. He's trying to portray himself as someone who has actually fired a gun.
It shows how ridiculous the right is with Obama. He was specifically asked if he'd ever shot a gun and he answered "Yes, we shoot skeet at Camp David all the time". Of course the nuts on the right then demanded proof, so Obama released a photo. Now the nuts are scrambling to prove the photo is a fake. It's the same dynamic as the birther issue.
Very true. The photo isn't fake, and they'd be stupid to fake it. They do have a shooting range at camp david, and all they have to do is bring him out there for the photo op. The fake photo people do themselves a disservice because they then can't make the argument that the photo op is just a contrived photo op, and that Obama doesn't really shoot guns "all the time."

To me, it's obvious from his choice of words that he doesn't shoot all the time. When asked by the reporter "the whole family?" Obama responded, "...not the girls...but, our guests go up there..." etc. He was very careful not to ever say "I shoot at the range all the time..." or "very often" etc.

Gerald McGrew wrote: And actually, it's just like arguing with creationists. When they ask, "where are the transitional fossils", they're not asking because they're genuinely interested in the answer; they're asking because they're convinced they don't exist and they think they've got you stumped. That's why no matter how many you show them, they'll continue to deny their existence.

It's the same here. They didn't ask Obama if he'd shot a gun because they really wanted to know; they asked because they were sure he never had.
I'm sure he has fired a gun. I'm just convinced that it's not one of his hobbies, that he doesn't have much of an interest in it, and he does not shoot skeet "all the time" (or even very often, if at all). If he did, it would have been mentioned before, at some point in the past 4 years, because he would have been doing it routinely. The press mentions his golfing, beach trips, bowling, basketball, and other hobbies. Why the closed mouths on his "all the time" skeet shooting?

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Re: The conspiracy theorists are at it again! Skeetergate!

Post by Jason » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:12 pm

It's a failed political move. I don't know who his press manager is, but he/she is an idiot.

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Re: The conspiracy theorists are at it again! Skeetergate!

Post by Gerald McGrew » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:39 pm

Parsing down to the last syllable. FFS.
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