Catholic child abuse in Australia

[Thinking Aloud]

I think you're both saying the same thing.

[pErvinalia]

Same here. Not sure why Rum doesn't get that.

[Thinking Aloud]

Maybe the phrasing. One of you was saying "there is no evidence that homosexuality leads to paedophilia", the other "the evidence says that there is no link between homosexuality and paedophilia". Looks like a simple misunderstanding.

[pErvinalia]

Well that's related to the clergy. Tyrannical's crap went much further than limiting it to the clergy. THAT is what I was countering.

[Tyrannical]

I think it is pretty offensive to use the term 'gays/paedophiles' in that way personally. I suppose we should be used to your narrow minded and bigoted take on life by now though. Suppose you took a different view and used the term 'heteros/paedophiles'?

There is no evidence that I am aware of that the priesthood attracts gay people. One could hypothesise that in days gone by when homosexuality was taboo and completely socially unacceptable one path for some men might be suppressing their 'urges' via the celibacy route. That however is just lazy hypothesising basing ones views on ones prejudices. And in any case why should sexually repressed gay priests be any more or less likely to abuse than a sexually repressed heterosexual priest?

The facts are that studies show there appears to be no correlation of this type. "No evidence was found to suggest that male victims were purposefully targeted more than female victims; rather, the abuse appeared to be more a function of opportunity" (http://sax.sagepub.com/content/early/20 ... 0.abstract).

Opportunity and the abuse of power, added to the poisonous repression of one of the great things about being human by an evil religion which tells us we are doomed if we enjoy sex.

NAMBLA and paedophiles was supported by the gay rights movement, a dirty little secret they wish people would forget about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... ssociation

In the summer of 1993 The International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association gained consultative status on the UN Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) as a Non-Governmental-Organization, joining 3,000 organisations throughout the world. However, that status was suspended in 1994 after a campaign led by Jesse Helms focusing on National Man Boy Love Association membership of ILGA.

Following this ILGA, by a vote of 214-30 expelled North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and two other groups (Vereniging MARTIJN and Project Truth) in early 1994 because they were judged to be "groups whose predominant aim is to support or promote pedophilia." In October 1994, the executive committee of ILGA suspended the membership of VSG (Association for Sexual Equality), a gay group in Munich, Germany, due to its vocal solidarity with NAMBLA and its refusal to purge pedophile members. Its membership was suspended until the next Annual Conference of ILGA in June 1995 when the matter could be dealt with in accordance to ILGA's constitution, namely, expulsion. VSG left ILGA in April 1995 and in 1998 dissolved itself.

Yup, never distanced themselves from groups like NAMBLA until Jesse Helms got them kicked off the UN council. Of course now they have to pretend to be against it. That didn't stop them for pushing for a holiday for Harvey Milk, the gay child molester though.

And this little gem was in the 1972 Gay Rights Platform because they think (or is that thought ) Gays should be legally allowed to molest children.

7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.

[Rum]

You are a revolting. I suspect you are a suppressed homesexualist.

[Svartalf]

Maybe I misread the article, but are they saying the cause of paedophile priests is institutionalized celibacy? Because that's complete bullshit and sickening to boot.

Idk... it's not easy to say if it's an impossibility. While it's more likely that paedophiles have been attracted to the priesthood because of easy access to children, it's not really well understood what prolonged, involuntary celibacy can do to a person. I'm not saying it's likely to be a common reason, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility without evidence either way.

Prolonged and involuntary celibacy has driven me to the point that I'd shag mmy brother's or best friend's wife without a second thought.

[Twoflower]

But would it make you want to shag a child?

[Rum]

Maybe I misread the article, but are they saying the cause of paedophile priests is institutionalized celibacy? Because that's complete bullshit and sickening to boot.

Idk... it's not easy to say if it's an impossibility. While it's more likely that paedophiles have been attracted to the priesthood because of easy access to children, it's not really well understood what prolonged, involuntary celibacy can do to a person. I'm not saying it's likely to be a common reason, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility without evidence either way.

Prolonged and involuntary celibacy has driven me to the point that I'd shag mmy brother's or best friend's wife without a second thought.

I've had a few dry spells. My sex drive was (and still is!) quite high, but let's not portray male sexuality as an uncontrollable raging beast that will have it away with the bathroom furniture id nothing else is available!

I retained at least a shred of control, discrimination and restraint during those periods!

[Svartalf]

But would it make you want to shag a child?

If the question is to me, I haven't the slightest idea. Children just aren't shaggable.

[JimC]

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[Tyrannical]

You are a revolting. I suspect you are a suppressed homesexualist.

I suspect that you are biased for understandable personal reasons.

[Rum]

You are a revolting. I suspect you are a suppressed homesexualist.

I suspect that you are biased for understandable personal reasons.

I don't know what you are insinuation but I think I can assume it is nauseating. We expect nothing less from a tiny mind and smaller intellect springing from stunted emotions and mean spirited humanity. Am I describing you? You know but I don't.

[Tyrannical]

You are a revolting. I suspect you are a suppressed homesexualist.

I suspect that you are biased for understandable personal reasons.

I don't know what you are insinuation but I think I can assume it is nauseating. We expect nothing less from a tiny mind and smaller intellect springing from stunted emotions and mean spirited humanity. Am I describing you? You know but I don't.

If you don't know what I am insinuating than I may have you confused with someone else.

And I'm not sure who you are describing. Seth maybe? He is a popular and unfairly maligned target here.