Restricting constitutional feeedoms.

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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.

Post by aspire1670 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:07 am

Seth wrote:
Elif air ab dinikh wrote:Good for the individual maybe. We all know that evolution doesnt favor the individual
But it requires the individual to pass on its genes, so it provides the individual with the tools necessary for survival and the drive to do so.

LOL. You need to lay off the booze, Seth. You've just defined the game of golf.
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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:08 am

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:11 am

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Făkünamę wrote:Wrong. You're arguing that it is good becuz animals do it. It's nature, therefore good. Naturalistic fallacy dood.
I can't believe Rev and I are on the same page here. You misunderstand the argument. It's good because it's pro-survival of the organism, which is a requirement for life, propagation and evolution. Life is an innate "good thing" and so behaviors that protect, enhance and preserve life are likewise innately good, because as Rev says, without that innate morality of life being worthy of protection no living thing would exist.
You said that better than I could.

Although, I would argue with that last point. There would still be living things, but life would be short and miserable. And in all likelihood, wouldn't lead to high intelligence. Actually, the reality is that intelligence (and therefore overt cognitions about preserving one's life) are almost certainly likely to develop in any reasonably stable system given enough time. The reason is that evolution selects for survival. Life really couldn't end up any other way.
That's why the right to life, the right to property, and the right to self defense are natural Organic Rights. They are innately good because without all of them the organism cannot survive, and the first imperative of life is that the organism survive at least long enough to reproduce.
The problem with this, as we've argued about ad-infinitum in the past, is that deriving "rights" from states of being is missing some crucial steps.
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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:12 am

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:14 am

Făkünamę wrote:
Seth wrote: P1 Life is better than no life
Sez who dood?
Provide warrants for your first premise. (yeah I studied logic and argumentation in a fucking university)
Because to even perform this exercise you need life.
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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:18 am

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:21 am

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Post by Azathoth » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:23 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
Făkünamę wrote:
Seth wrote: P1 Life is better than no life
Sez who dood?
Provide warrants for your first premise. (yeah I studied logic and argumentation in a fucking university)
Because to even perform this exercise you need life.
irrelevant, life is necessary for lots of things. No life is often better than life. Extreme suffering for example
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:51 am

We are talking about the concept of life. Not individual instances of it.
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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:57 am

Life as you know it dood.

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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:58 am

Life is as you know it..

Dood.. it's like philosophie or sumthin'

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Post by Azathoth » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:58 am

rEvolutionist wrote:We are talking about the concept of life. Not individual instances of it.
When you talk about life in general your premise becomes less stable. Seen what happens when you kick a nest of bees (or imperialist Japanese)?
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:01 am

I don't know what you mean.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:04 am

@Anthro/blondie/pord/fakuname/whatever... http://www.rationalforums.org/forum/vie ... p=632#p632 ;)
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