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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:39 pm

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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:42 pm

Depends what the taxes are used for.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:46 pm

JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:Depends what the taxes are used for.
It's your duty as a citizen to fight unjust, unfair or unreasonable taxes.
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Post by Rum » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:52 pm

I don't see them as dues so much as a contribution to the welfare of society as a whole. Of course one can debate what the taxes are used for (I'd scrap our nuclear deterrent tomorrow for example..).

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:57 pm

Rum wrote:I don't see them as dues so much as a contribution to the welfare of society as a whole. Of course one can debate what the taxes are used for (I'd scrap our nuclear deterrent tomorrow for example..).
It's pay-to-play, IMHO.
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Post by Rum » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:39 pm

I think it is mutually beneficial. The taxes I pay are spent on things I couldn't possibly afford to purchase - even if it was collectively with some sort of consortium.

Even tax paid on welfare (a big chunk here) is beneficial to me in my view. Without it the people who have fallen by the wayside of capitalisms labour system, whether involuntarily or otherwise, would be rioting on the streets or burgling my house to feed themselves. They are better off and I and mine are safer. Of course I would prefer it if they were working, but the fact is that capitalism is quite rapidly making the acquirement for mass labour redundant.

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Post by MrJonno » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:29 pm

Taxation is the price of civilisation, without it 99% of us would be dead
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Post by MiM » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:33 pm

Rum wrote:I don't see them as dues so much as a contribution to the welfare of society as a whole. Of course one can debate what the taxes are used for (I'd scrap our nuclear deterrent tomorrow for example..).
Together with your permanent seat in the Security Council :ask:
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Post by MiM » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:36 pm

Actually, I am with Rum here, and I am getting more socialist the older I get, and the more I see. Pure capitalism is as much an unachievable ideal as communism ever was.
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Post by rasetsu » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:09 am




Imo, taxes are nothing more than a) pooling resources, and b) structured, institutionalized altruism. I think much of the objection to taxation is the idea that it's forced, involuntary, unfairly distributed altruism.

It isn't so much that it's a price enacted by society as it is an expression of our biological nature. It's who we are as a social species.



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Post by laklak » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:12 am

A necessary evil.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by FBM » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:28 am

MiM wrote:Actually, I am with Rum here, and I am getting more socialist the older I get, and the more I see. Pure capitalism is as much an unachievable ideal as communism ever was.
Could be. All I know for sure is that the US sure hasn't achieved it yet.
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Re: Agree or disagree?

Post by Svartalf » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:51 am

MiM wrote:Actually, I am with Rum here, and I am getting more socialist the older I get, and the more I see. Pure capitalism is as much an unachievable ideal as communism ever was.
ideal? Unless you're part of the 1% already, I don't see what's so desirable in it.
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Re: Agree or disagree?

Post by MiM » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:56 am

Svartalf wrote:
MiM wrote:Actually, I am with Rum here, and I am getting more socialist the older I get, and the more I see. Pure capitalism is as much an unachievable ideal as communism ever was.
ideal? Unless you're part of the 1% already, I don't see what's so desirable in it.
Some people seems to find it desirable.
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Post by redunderthebed » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:24 am

Agreed although i think what our taxes are spent on should be more rigorously scrutinized and less emphasis on tax cuts and military spending and more on services and infrastructure.
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