You won't find any disagreement from me there. In my experience it can be difficult for English people who oppose devolution to really understand how Westminster doesn't serve Wales, NI and Scotland at all well. It's not that Westminster are anti-Celtic Fringe.... they just have more pressing concerns that relate to their own areas, and concerns in Wales, NI and Scotland are more likely to be insignificant to them.Red Celt wrote:Oh, of course you'll find some... every bell curve has its extremes. It isn't, however, the reason for independence being sought.Pappa wrote:I don't know. I'm sure there are lots of Scots that would vote yes for anti-English reasons alone. It's be the same in Northern Ireland and here in Wales too.Red Celt wrote:I think that a lot of the antagonism (not in this thread, but more widespread) is due to the idea that some people see this as an anti-English thing, when it's no such thing.
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The Merkins had an answer for separatists. They didn't give a toss about local democracy.FBM wrote:As a 'merkin, I am equally something towards or perhaps against England, Scotland and that other one, whazzis...Ireland or something?
They just said no, and enforced it.
They are better off for it.
That's what we should have done.
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Whilst pretending to understand what you're talking about, I would also like to mention Wales. I believe they are connected somehow to something.mistermack wrote:The Merkins had an answer for separatists. They didn't give a toss about local democracy.FBM wrote:As a 'merkin, I am equally something towards or perhaps against England, Scotland and that other one, whazzis...Ireland or something?
They just said no, and enforced it.
They are better off for it.
That's what we should have done.
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I cast suspicious glances at your evident book larnin'.FBM wrote:Whilst pretending to understand what you're talking about, I would also like to mention Wales. I believe they are connected somehow to something.mistermack wrote:The Merkins had an answer for separatists. They didn't give a toss about local democracy.FBM wrote:As a 'merkin, I am equally something towards or perhaps against England, Scotland and that other one, whazzis...Ireland or something?
They just said no, and enforced it.
They are better off for it.
That's what we should have done.


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All US states have their own laws. Federal Laws are only for the most serious crimes. They also have different laws/rules from county to county within states. So, they obviously do give a toss about local democracy.mistermack wrote:The Merkins had an answer for separatists. They didn't give a toss about local democracy.FBM wrote:As a 'merkin, I am equally something towards or perhaps against England, Scotland and that other one, whazzis...Ireland or something?
They just said no, and enforced it.
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That's what we should have done.
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I see you don't post any evidence for that.FBM wrote:Whilst pretending to understand what you're talking about, I would also like to mention Wales. I believe they are connected somehow to something.
Why should I take your word for that on trust, without a link or reference?
It might just be something you dreamed last night.
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Yeh, but they did have a civil war, to prevent states splitting off.Pappa wrote:All US states have their own laws. Federal Laws are only for the most serious crimes. They also have different laws/rules from county to county within states. So, they obviously do give a toss about local democracy.
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Your suspicions are indicative of something relevant to the discussion. More research is called for before a conclusive conclusion can be concluded.Bella Fortuna wrote:I cast suspicious glances at your evident book larnin'.FBM wrote:Whilst pretending to understand what you're talking about, I would also like to mention Wales. I believe they are connected somehow to something.mistermack wrote:The Merkins had an answer for separatists. They didn't give a toss about local democracy.FBM wrote:As a 'merkin, I am equally something towards or perhaps against England, Scotland and that other one, whazzis...Ireland or something?
They just said no, and enforced it.
They are better off for it.
That's what we should have done.You sure you're one of us?
Wiki is on my side.mistermack wrote:I see you don't post any evidence for that.FBM wrote:Whilst pretending to understand what you're talking about, I would also like to mention Wales. I believe they are connected somehow to something.
Why should I take your word for that on trust, without a link or reference?
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Nice trolling.mistermack wrote:The Merkins had an answer for separatists. They didn't give a toss about local democracy.FBM wrote:As a 'merkin, I am equally something towards or perhaps against England, Scotland and that other one, whazzis...Ireland or something?
They just said no, and enforced it.
They are better off for it.
That's what we should have done.
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Could we please have a whip-round in order to buy mistermack some history books? Amazon gift vouchers, perhaps?
They'd need to cover Scotland and Ireland and the United States.
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They'd need to cover Scotland and Ireland and the United States.
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Oh, right, sorry. So the USA didn't have a civil war when some states wanted to leave the Union.Red Celt wrote:Could we please have a whip-round in order to buy mistermack some history books? Amazon gift vouchers, perhaps?
They'd need to cover Scotland and Ireland and the United States.
(rattles a tin)
Who am I thinking of ?
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This is what you said:-mistermack wrote:Oh, right, sorry. So the USA didn't have a civil war when some states wanted to leave the Union.Red Celt wrote:Could we please have a whip-round in order to buy mistermack some history books? Amazon gift vouchers, perhaps?
They'd need to cover Scotland and Ireland and the United States.
(rattles a tin)
Who am I thinking of ?
The secession of the Southern states wasn't the cause of the war. It was a symptom of a bigger disunity between the North and the South. Without those states seceding, conflict would still have happened. But fuckit, why bother about books containing facts and things? Just carry on working inside your own reality bubble.mistermack wrote:Yeh, but they did have a civil war, to prevent states splitting off.


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mistermack wrote:Yeh, but they did have a civil war, to prevent states splitting off.
That has worked - but only so far. nothing lasts forever.
The further the rulers move away from the people they control the more likely the locals start to get own ideas - mostly centred around: "I can see what's in it for you - but WTF is in it for me?

Of course the Plebs themselves are never capable of succesfully revolting (the rulers can easily find other Plebs to control or kill them) - the danger for the rulers is when they seperate from the Middle Classes. Downside is that the Middle classes don't always win - even when their side wins

The legality is irrelevant - in the case of the USA, the Federal Government might be able to occupy (and hold) Ohio - but not also Florida, Texas and Kansas.......
....in the case of the USA probably long past the time for the States to collectively decide on a new form of Federal Govt - mostly centred around removing power to tax and borrow.
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Ahem.Red Celt wrote:The secession of the Southern states wasn't the cause of the war.
Keep that history-book money. Spend it on yourself. Be my guest.
Or else, try a library. It's a place where they let you borrow books. They usually have a history section.
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