2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ryan

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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Kristie » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:58 am

Nibbler wrote:
Kristie wrote:Some woman posted a comment on Maher's page about how she's an undecided and this debate made her decide not to vote for Obama. Ridiculous. She was probably already going to vote for Romney. Undecideds are a joke.
I don't know what to feel about that. :ask:
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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by SteveB » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:02 am

I've only voted in one election like when I was 18 or something. I remember voting for the Conservative party in Canada. Now, I couldn't be arsed to vote and my riding that I live in in Canada or (district as you Merkins say) is represented by NDP, which is the farthest left popular party.
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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Tyrannical » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:03 am

Warren Dew wrote:
Wumbologist wrote:Change to Medicare and Social Security that won't effect coverage but will magically make it cheaper!
Actually if you look at the Romney/Ryan medicare plan, what it does is limit growth to inflation plus population growth. Since that's lower than GDP growth, the medicare budget will fall as a percent of GDP. The trick is leaving coverage at today's levels, and not including more expensive treatments that are developed in the future.
We spend way too much money on medical research, because all of those research dollars plus profit end up as increased health care costs. I'd suggest eliminating medical patents, and fund all medical research through government and charitable funding. Drugs are dirt cheap, once the patents expire.
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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Kristie » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:04 am

Nibbler wrote:I've only voted in one election like when I was 18 or something. I remember voting for the Conservative party in Canada. Now, I couldn't be arsed to vote and my riding that I live in in Canada or (district as you Merkins say) is represented by NDP, which is the farthest left popular party.
I know pretty much nothing about Canadian politics. You vote Conservative? :what:
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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Tyrannical » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:05 am

Kristie wrote:
Nibbler wrote:
Kristie wrote:Some woman posted a comment on Maher's page about how she's an undecided and this debate made her decide not to vote for Obama. Ridiculous. She was probably already going to vote for Romney. Undecideds are a joke.
I don't know what to feel about that. :ask:
You suck.
Biden is taking some criticisms for laughing too much throughout the debate.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82313.html
MSNBC’s S.E. Cupp: “Biden needs to laugh a little less through the Libya, Middle East, nuclear Iran segment.”
I think that summed it up :hehe:
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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by SteveB » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:06 am

I did--once. Not really the same thing as American conservative. I grew up in Alberta, which is the equivalent of Texas, so I had to.. :cry:
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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Kristie » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:07 am

Tyrannical wrote:
Kristie wrote:
Nibbler wrote:
Kristie wrote:Some woman posted a comment on Maher's page about how she's an undecided and this debate made her decide not to vote for Obama. Ridiculous. She was probably already going to vote for Romney. Undecideds are a joke.
I don't know what to feel about that. :ask:
You suck.
Biden is taking some criticisms for laughing too much throughout the debate.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82313.html
MSNBC’s S.E. Cupp: “Biden needs to laugh a little less through the Libya, Middle East, nuclear Iran segment.”
I think that summed it up :hehe:
I agree, he should've kept a straight face more. But, can you blame him? Ryan is a joke!
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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Wumbologist » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:21 am

Nibbler wrote: so I had to.. :cry:

You know your vote isn't public, right? :ask:

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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Warren Dew » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:40 am

Wumbologist wrote:Can we get Biden to stand in for Obama in the next two debates?
Only if you get Obama off the ticket.

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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Warren Dew » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:44 am

Kristie wrote:Some woman posted a comment on Maher's page about how she's an undecided and this debate made her decide not to vote for Obama. Ridiculous. She was probably already going to vote for Romney. Undecideds are a joke.
She was probably Gen X and couldn't stand Biden's obnoxious, overbearing, boomer debate manner.

Of course, us boomers see our manner as confident and assertive rather than obnoxious and overbearing, but that's probably because we're not on the receiving end.

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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Warren Dew » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:47 am

Tyrannical wrote:Biden is taking some criticisms for laughing too much throughout the debate.
Hey, constant laughing and interrupting is an excellent debate tactic when all the facts are on the other guy's side.

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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by SteveB » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:17 am

Wumbologist wrote:
Nibbler wrote: so I had to.. :cry:

You know your vote isn't public, right? :ask:
Is that how democracy works.
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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:41 pm

Kristie wrote:
Red Celt wrote:This is the first time that I've seen Ryan. Very unimpressed.
He appears to be lacking in confidence and facts.
He just wasn't making them up out of whole cloth, like Biden was. I almost spit out my drink when Biden said that he and Obama were told by the intelligence community that the video caused the Benghazi attacks, and that nobody asked for more security....lol... a lie told confidently is still a lie.

On security -- Eric Nordstrom, former top security official in Libya, testified before Congress this week that he was criticized for seeking more security. Charlene R. Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security, told Congress she refused requests for more security in Benghazi because the agency wanted to train Libyans to protect the mission.

And, it was the White House that concocted the "video protests" nonsense. http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs ... ibya-story and http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c1 ... 2e49a0a2ff

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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:43 pm

I gave the nod to Biden last night, but some polls are more even about it: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... -biden-44/ CNN's poll actually gave Ryan the victory, which shocked me a bit.

In my view, Biden did a good job of making Ryan look like the inexperienced kid trying to talk to the adult about issues....

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Re: 2012 Vice Presidential Debate - October 11 - Biden v. Ry

Post by Ian » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:45 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Biden is taking some criticisms for laughing too much throughout the debate.
Hey, constant laughing and interrupting is an excellent debate tactic when all the facts are on the other guy's side.
:lol:
Still can't own up to the concept of Ryan being a pathological liar? Well, if his speech at the RNC didn't convince you and last night didn't either, why even watch these things? You're not going to be swayed by facts.

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