Saddam's WMD's are in Syria

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Saddam's WMD's are in Syria

Post by Seth » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:55 pm

Washington Post reporter Joby Warrick reports that western intelligence agencies suspect that the Syrian government is hiding hundreds of tons of chemical weapons and precursor chemicals in as many as 20 sites. Stockpiles may include battle-ready Sarin. The story says "Syria is thought to possess the world's third-largest stockpile of chemical weapons after the United States and Russia, whose Cold War arsenals are being dismantled and destroyed."

Guess where a bunch of those WMD's came from.

Iraq, just prior to the resumption of hostilities caused by Saddam's refusal to abide by the terms of the cease-fire agreement and his obstruction of UN weapons inspectors.

Tens of thousands of Sarin and Mustard Gas filled artillery shells and other chemical weapons (possibly including biological weapons) were shipped out of Iraq just before the invasion in a series of 747 flights and truck convoys to Syria, disguised as "earthquake relief" shipments, according to Saddam's Air Vice-Marshal Georges Sada. The UK's Daily Mail reporter Melanie Phillips outlines the scheme in this article.

Which is why those known-to-exist WMD's were not found when the US defeated Saddam and went looking for them.

Which means, among other things, that our invasion of Iraq on the basis that Saddam was holding undeclared WMD's after the Gulf War cease fire was perfectly correct and legitimate.
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Re: Saddam's WMD's are in Syria

Post by Audley Strange » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:05 pm

Hmmm. Deja Vu.
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Re: Saddam's WMD's are in Syria

Post by Ian » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:13 pm

Seth wrote:Which means, among other things, that our invasion of Iraq on the basis that Saddam was holding undeclared WMD's after the Gulf War cease fire was perfectly correct and legitimate.
As military analysts and anyone living in Israel can tell you, Syria has had large stockpiles of declared chemical weapons for decades.

So, if (and it's still an if, sorry Seth) the existence of chemical munitions in Iraq justified the invasion, why hasn't anyone invaded Syria yet?

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Post by Audley Strange » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:15 pm

It wasn't U.S. election season?
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Re: Saddam's WMD's are in Syria

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:15 pm

Ian wrote:
Seth wrote:Which means, among other things, that our invasion of Iraq on the basis that Saddam was holding undeclared WMD's after the Gulf War cease fire was perfectly correct and legitimate.
As military analysts and anyone living in Israel can tell you, Syria has had large stockpiles of declared chemical weapons for decades.

So, if (and it's still an if, sorry Seth) the existence of chemical munitions in Iraq justified the invasion, why hasn't anyone invaded Syria yet?
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Post by Gerald McGrew » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:24 pm

Ian wrote:So, if (and it's still an if, sorry Seth) the existence of chemical munitions in Iraq justified the invasion, why hasn't anyone invaded Syria yet?
Because Assad didn't try to kill W. Bush's father.

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Post by Seth » Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:47 pm

Ian wrote:
Seth wrote:Which means, among other things, that our invasion of Iraq on the basis that Saddam was holding undeclared WMD's after the Gulf War cease fire was perfectly correct and legitimate.
As military analysts and anyone living in Israel can tell you, Syria has had large stockpiles of declared chemical weapons for decades.

So, if (and it's still an if, sorry Seth) the existence of chemical munitions in Iraq justified the invasion, why hasn't anyone invaded Syria yet?
Because Syria hasn't invaded Kuwait, been defeated, signed a cease-fire agreement, violated that agreement immediately, violated 14 UN agreements, and refused to stop being belligerent and supporting international terrorism for a dozen years.

I was in favor of invading Syria way back when based on the same criteria.

But that's not the point, the point is that Saddam's WMD's exist, and have existed since the early 80's, it's just that they were moved to Syria before we got to Baghdad the second time and found that fuck living in a hole in the ground.

I'm just kicking the shit out of the "unjustified war" claim that all the liberals have been trumpeting all this time.
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Re: Saddam's WMD's are in Syria

Post by Ian » Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:53 pm

Guess what? It was still unjustified.

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Post by padraic » Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:48 am

The story says "Syria is thought to possess the world's third-largest stockpile of chemical weapons after the United States and Russia, whose Cold War arsenals are being dismantled and destroyed."
"THOUGHT to possess",is a long way from "is KNOWN to possess". Besides, isn't Iran next on the list?


I was going to say "surely the American public is not stupid enough to fall for that twice". Then I remembered this is the country which elected GWB,twice (I won't start on the current Republican candidates) :ask:

I was in favor of invading Syria way back when based on the same criteria.


Under the Nuremberg principles used to try Nazi war criminals, Bush and "the coalition of the willing" Could all be tried as war criminals for the invasion of Iraq. I think they should be. Chance would be a fine thing..


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Re: Saddam's WMD's are in Syria

Post by Seth » Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:07 pm

padraic wrote:
The story says "Syria is thought to possess the world's third-largest stockpile of chemical weapons after the United States and Russia, whose Cold War arsenals are being dismantled and destroyed."
"THOUGHT to possess",is a long way from "is KNOWN to possess". Besides, isn't Iran next on the list?
I certainly hope so. However, I note that several months ago an installation was photographed by satellite in Syria that was alleged to be a nuclear research facility, and within a few weeks it had disappeared utterly, before UN inspectors could get permission to visit the site.
I was going to say "surely the American public is not stupid enough to fall for that twice". Then I remembered this is the country which elected GWB,twice (I won't start on the current Republican candidates) :ask:
Strange how the Coalition was made up of more than just the US, even though we bore the lion's share of the load. Perhaps we should let Iran get the bomb and use it on Paris or London and then sit back and say "We told you so..."
I was in favor of invading Syria way back when based on the same criteria.

Under the Nuremberg principles used to try Nazi war criminals, Bush and "the coalition of the willing" Could all be tried as war criminals for the invasion of Iraq. I think they should be. Chance would be a fine thing..
Hardly. The first Gulf War was a NATO response to the invasion of Kuwait, and the 2nd invasion was a restoration of hostilities after Saddam repeatedly and egregiously violated the terms of the cease-fire agreement Saddam signed. Perfectly justifiable under the Nuremburg and Geneva Conventions.

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Problem is, Saddam was responsible for planning, preparing for, initiating and waging war on Kuwait. Everything that followed was completely in accord with international law as a defensive and retaliatory war against his initial aggression.

And Syria is a known haven for international terrorism, which makes it a rogue state, which justifies invading it precisely because it has WMD's that it can distribute to the terrorists it supports and harbors.

Nice try though.
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Re: Saddam's WMD's are in Syria

Post by Cormac » Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:27 pm

Seth wrote:
Ian wrote:
Seth wrote:Which means, among other things, that our invasion of Iraq on the basis that Saddam was holding undeclared WMD's after the Gulf War cease fire was perfectly correct and legitimate.
As military analysts and anyone living in Israel can tell you, Syria has had large stockpiles of declared chemical weapons for decades.

So, if (and it's still an if, sorry Seth) the existence of chemical munitions in Iraq justified the invasion, why hasn't anyone invaded Syria yet?
Because Syria hasn't invaded Kuwait, been defeated, signed a cease-fire agreement, violated that agreement immediately, violated 14 UN agreements, and refused to stop being belligerent and supporting international terrorism for a dozen years.

I was in favor of invading Syria way back when based on the same criteria.

But that's not the point, the point is that Saddam's WMD's exist, and have existed since the early 80's, it's just that they were moved to Syria before we got to Baghdad the second time and found that fuck living in a hole in the ground.

I'm just kicking the shit out of the "unjustified war" claim that all the liberals have been trumpeting all this time.
Where'd he get those WMDs by the way?
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Re: Saddam's WMD's are in Syria

Post by Seth » Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:16 pm

Cormac wrote:
Seth wrote:
Ian wrote:
Seth wrote:Which means, among other things, that our invasion of Iraq on the basis that Saddam was holding undeclared WMD's after the Gulf War cease fire was perfectly correct and legitimate.
As military analysts and anyone living in Israel can tell you, Syria has had large stockpiles of declared chemical weapons for decades.

So, if (and it's still an if, sorry Seth) the existence of chemical munitions in Iraq justified the invasion, why hasn't anyone invaded Syria yet?
Because Syria hasn't invaded Kuwait, been defeated, signed a cease-fire agreement, violated that agreement immediately, violated 14 UN agreements, and refused to stop being belligerent and supporting international terrorism for a dozen years.

I was in favor of invading Syria way back when based on the same criteria.

But that's not the point, the point is that Saddam's WMD's exist, and have existed since the early 80's, it's just that they were moved to Syria before we got to Baghdad the second time and found that fuck living in a hole in the ground.

I'm just kicking the shit out of the "unjustified war" claim that all the liberals have been trumpeting all this time.
Where'd he get those WMDs by the way?
Probably got them from Syria in the first place, but could have manufactured them himself back in the 80s, when he used them on the Kurds to kill 100,000+ people.
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Post by MrJonno » Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:17 pm

Melanine Philips and the Daily Mail are the British equivlent of Glen Beck and Fox News, ie beyond a joke except for one difference philips is one of the main people responsible for the deaths of many children due ot her non existant MMR scare campaign.

She should be in jail for manslaughter of multiple children never mind writing for a new paper, pure evil
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:17 am

When do you think we should invade Russia?

After all, they possess WMDs. They kill dissidents. They have oil. They sell weapons technology to other nations.

Can we do a ten-thirty next Wednesday? How does that fit your schedule?
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Re: Saddam's WMD's are in Syria

Post by FBM » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:20 am

Thumpalumpacus wrote:When do you think we should invade Russia?

After all, they possess WMDs. They kill dissidents. They have oil. They sell weapons technology to other nations.

Can we do a ten-thirty next Wednesday? How does that fit your schedule?
I vote N. Korea. They have WMDs AND nukes, but since they don't have oil, it'll never happen. :sigh:
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