Venezuelan Prez Election 2012 - opinion and what have you

[Coito ergo sum]

In 1996, Hugo Chavez attempted to assassinate the then Venezuelan Presidnet.

His water and electricity policies have resulted in many towns going through weeks without water and many hours without electricity.

Special treatment for "Chavistas."

Chavez has threatened other candidates with violence, such as Rosales in 2007. Chavez threatened the guy's family. Then he chased Rosales out of the country on trumped up "corruption" charges.

Good riddance, if Chavez dies or doesn't get elected.

[Ian]

Surely that's all imperialist propaganda. Chavez is an honorable Man of the People.

[Coito ergo sum]

Surely that's all imperialist propaganda. Chavez is an honorable Man of the People.

Yes. Surely.

[Clinton Huxley]

Oh, he's a crook and a thug but he's a crook and a thug who thumbs his nose at the US, therefore he is a hero.

[Coito ergo sum]

Oh, he's a crook and a thug but he's a crook and a thug who thumbs his nose at the US, therefore he is a hero.

I think he does that French thing with his thumb. Like that thumb under the top front teeth gesture with the snap forward....

[Clinton Huxley]

Oh, he's a crook and a thug but he's a crook and a thug who thumbs his nose at the US, therefore he is a hero.

I think he does that French thing with his thumb. Like that thumb under the top front teeth gesture with the snap forward....

He deserves all he gets....

[Coito ergo sum]

I wish you Limeys would get back in the game. Maybe you could send some redcoats and beefeaters over to quell those Amazon savages.

[Clinton Huxley]

I wish you Limeys would get back in the game. Maybe you could send some redcoats and beefeaters over to quell those Amazon savages.

We could resurrect Thomas Cochrane - he'd sort them out

[Coito ergo sum]

Ah, yes, an Earl of Dundonald. Just what we need. We should be up to the 15th Earl by now, ay? Maybe the current one will suffice?

[Coito ergo sum]

Heck, I totally guessed, but we really are up to the 15th Earl of Dundonald....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Dundonald

LOL -- you guys have "Earls".....

Apparently, the current Earl is getting a bit long in the tooth, but his heir apparent, Archibald Iain Thomas Blair Cochrane, the next Lord Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald, is only about 22 or 23. So, he may be ready to cut his teeth in battle against the heathen.

[sandinista]

Hoping Chavez wins by a landslide and regains his health.

Yu
Yup one of the few leaders in the world i actually admire.

Coito ergo sum »
In 1996, Hugo Chavez attempted to assassinate the then Venezuelan Presidnet.

His water and electricity policies have resulted in many towns going through weeks without water and many hours without electricity.

Special treatment for "Chavistas."

Chavez has threatened other candidates with violence, such as Rosales in 2007. Chavez threatened the guy's family. Then he chased Rosales out of the country on trumped up "corruption" charges.

Good riddance, if Chavez dies or doesn't get elected.

Meanwhile your government tortures people, has assassination programs, invades and occupies numerous countries, bombs civilians on a regular basis, treats your own poor people like garbage etc. And the above are your criticisms of Chavez



When Mr.Chavez starts invading poor countries, starts setting up torture prisons, and begins bombing campaigns come back and talk to me.

[Coito ergo sum]

Meanwhile your government tortures people,

You are of the impression that Venezuelan police and military do not "torture" people? Do you even have a clue what the jails and prisons in Venezuela are like? To even suggest that the US waterboarding one or a few terrorists who had knowledge of Al Qaeta's plans with the typical practice of a country like Venezuela, well, it ignores the reality of what goes on there.

Venezuela tortures Colombians -- http://colombiareports.com/colombia-new ... bians.html
Torture in Venezuela: http://www.eluniversal.com/2011/06/25/i ... past.shtml
Chavez regime tortured anti-government protesters: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3571383.stm (care to go to Venezuela and protest their government)?
16 year old girl tortured by Chavez regime to get statements from father: http://www.omct.org/rights-of-the-child ... 02/d21074/
Chavez arrests and tortures critics: http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/20 ... zuela.html
Here's footage from 2010 of Venezuela authorities torturing a naked man: http://www.bestgore.com/torture/prisone ... den-plank/

I mean, for crying out loud -- Venezuela, and other Latin American countries, torture the fuck out of people, and have been doing it for a long, long time, as a matter of course. To compare that to a few waterboardings is really laughable.

has assassination programs,

Obama does? Well, yes you are correct, he assassinated the Al Qaeta American citizen in Yemen, as I recall.

invades and occupies numerous countries,

Numerous? Let's look at the last 25 years. Kuwait, check (UN operation to expel Iraqi forces), Panama (brief operation to seize Noriega), Afghanistan (obvious reasons), and Iraq. That's the "numerous?" Or, are you including Kosovo and Bosnia as invasions?

bombs civilians on a regular basis,

Nonsense. The US does no purposefully bomb civilians.

treats your own poor people like garbage etc.

If you think they are treated like garbage here, then you must REALLY think poorly of Chavez's government. The poor there live in truly shitty conditions. The poor in Venezuela make the poor in the US look like the top 1%. Most people in Venezuela are poor, and would be considered absolutely destitute in the US.

Yet most Venezuelans live in poverty, many of them in shanty towns, some of which sprawl over the hillsides around the capital, Caracas.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/cou ... 229345.stm

Unemployment is high and, according to official figures, around 60% of households are poor.

inflation, running at 25% by the end of 2009. In January 2010, the government devalued the bolivar in an attempt to boost oil revenues and simulate domestic production.

Here is how around half the population of Venezuela lives:









You want to talk about "treating the poor like shit" -- look at that massive shanty town. Millions upon millions of people in Venezuela live like that -- in tin roof shit holes. And, you have the unmitigated gall to say that the US treats its poor like shit?

Give the 50-60% of the population of Venezuela the chance to be poor somewhere -- where do you think they would choose? Stay in Venezuela or come to the US? Give the bottom 50-60% of the US population the option to live like poor Venezuelans -- how many do you think would do it?

And the above are your criticisms of Chavez

Yeah - he's a thug. He rigs elections, squelches freedom of the press, and seizes private property, on top of everything else I listed. He's tin pot wannabe dictator that oppresses his people. You make the silly argument that poor people are better off in Venezuela than in the US? Joke and half, that.

[sandinista]

so, you choose links from a Columbian newspaper and a few anti chavez Venezuelan newspapers, as for the video, who knows where that is from. Some random video on a gore site. Good work, did you even read those links?

I mean, for crying out loud -- Venezuela, and other Latin American countries, torture the fuck out of people, and have been doing it for a long, long time, as a matter of course. To compare that to a few waterboardings is really laughable.

On that note, it is correct to point out that torture in Latin America has been horrendous, interesting side note is that many of the torturers throughout Latin America were trained in theier methods by americans at the school of the americas. What is laughable is to state that the only torture the US has done is waterboarding.

http://soaw.org/

Nonsense. The US does no purposefully bomb civilians.

You have proof of this?

Here is how around half the population of Venezuela lives:

precisely the situation Chavez has been trying to fix. To think this can be done in a few decades is ridiculous, precisely why I am hoping he gets re-elected.

Yeah - he's a thug. He rigs elections, squelches freedom of the press, and seizes private property, on top of everything else I listed. He's tin pot wannabe dictator that oppresses his people. You make the silly argument that poor people are better off in Venezuela than in the US? Joke and half, that.

Every president the US has had had been a thug. Elections are rigged in the US worse than anywhere. squelches freedom of the press? What a load of shit that is. Seizes private property...good. I never once said that poor people are better off in Venezuela than in the US. Grab that out of your ass as well I see.

[Clinton Huxley]

So, to summarise, Chavez is a thug but we should support him over other candidates because the US is naughty?

Ok, absolutely!

[Rum]

There is an element of hypocrisy in the UK's position however. The majority of the Hong Kong population had no wish to be part of China in 1997. They weren't given a choice. The situations are not dissimilar.