Dictatorship 101

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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Hermit » Wed May 30, 2012 3:22 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Rule 171. A dictator shall dress in one or more of the following fashions:
(a) a Generalissimo;
(b) an Indian guy in a Nehru jacket';
(c) like Suleiman the Magnificent. or,
(d) in any specially designed military outfit, replete with dozens of medals and awards which you never earned.
Or not.

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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed May 30, 2012 3:34 pm

He was off duty there. Usually, he went with the military uniform.

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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Hermit » Wed May 30, 2012 4:33 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:He was off duty there. Usually, he went with the military uniform.
That is his military uniform. Ever seen him with epaulettes, sashes, braids and enough medals to blind anyone within 50 metres?

This is Hitler in civvies:

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And this is as close as he got to any of your descriptions:

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Which one of your descriptions fit?
(a) a Generalissimo;
(b) an Indian guy in a Nehru jacket';
(c) like Suleiman the Magnificent. or,
(d) in any specially designed military outfit, replete with dozens of medals and awards which you never earned.
Popular expectations are that a dictator/generalissimo looks something like this:

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or this:

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or this:

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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Mallardz » Wed May 30, 2012 5:04 pm

We have rule 101 twice and it's different. Kill all those responsible and their families.
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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Svartalf » Wed May 30, 2012 5:20 pm

Hermit wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:He was off duty there. Usually, he went with the military uniform.
That is his military uniform. Ever seen him with epaulettes, sashes, braids and enough medals to blind anyone within 50 metres?

This is Hitler in civvies:

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And this is as close as he got to any of your descriptions:

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Which one of your descriptions fit?
(a) a Generalissimo;
(b) an Indian guy in a Nehru jacket';
(c) like Suleiman the Magnificent. or,
(d) in any specially designed military outfit, replete with dozens of medals and awards which you never earned.
Popular expectations are that a dictator/generalissimo looks something like this:

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or this:

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or this:

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I was going to say that the buttons and pocket design on the previous picture were definitely marking the jacket as military in cut, if not outright part of an established uniform.

Is it just me or is the picture of Adolf in full regalia with cap a late in the war propaganda shot? He looks much older than in the other two.

and Stalin is a generalissimo (he WAS a field marshal of the Red Army before 1924 wasn't he?) though I'm not sure he did earn all the medals
Bongo is either a generalissimo or a special design medal rack
and gagaffi is the special design eyesore.
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Re: Dictatorship 101

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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Warren Dew » Wed May 30, 2012 11:38 pm

Hermit wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:He was off duty there. Usually, he went with the military uniform.
That is his military uniform. Ever seen him with epaulettes, sashes, braids and enough medals to blind anyone within 50 metres?
Obviously not a real dictator, then. He probably got his position through some democratic process, rather than seizing it by force like any self respecting tyrant.

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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Hermit » Thu May 31, 2012 12:50 am

Warren Dew wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:He was off duty there. Usually, he went with the military uniform.
That is his military uniform. Ever seen him with epaulettes, sashes, braids and enough medals to blind anyone within 50 metres?
Obviously not a real dictator, then. He probably got his position through some democratic process, rather than seizing it by force like any self respecting tyrant.
Maybe that's what you think. I merely pointed out that none of the stereotypical appearance and garb Coito listed seem to fit in this case.
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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Warren Dew » Thu May 31, 2012 1:41 am

Hermit wrote:Maybe that's what you think. I merely pointed out that none of the stereotypical appearance and garb Coito listed seem to fit in this case.
Maybe your first picture fits into Coito's definition of a Nehru jacket? That seems to be the category that would include a Mao jacket.

Edit: I have to point out Qadafi did take control through a military coup, though, so his uniform wearing is arguably legitimate.

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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Hermit » Thu May 31, 2012 1:51 am

Warren Dew wrote:I have to point out Qadafi did take control through a military coup, though, so his uniform wearing is arguably legitimate.
Coito ergo sum wrote:(d) in any specially designed military outfit, replete with dozens of medals and awards which you never earned.
You're supposed to focus on the medals, epaulettes, sashes and so on. :mrgreen:
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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Robert_S » Thu May 31, 2012 1:53 am

What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Thu May 31, 2012 1:57 am

Svartalf wrote:Is it just me or is the picture of Adolf in full regalia with cap a late in the war propaganda shot? He looks much older than in the other two.
I'm betting no later than 1941 or so.
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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Warren Dew » Thu May 31, 2012 2:03 am

Hermit wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:I have to point out Qadafi did take control through a military coup, though, so his uniform wearing is arguably legitimate.
Coito ergo sum wrote:(d) in any specially designed military outfit, replete with dozens of medals and awards which you never earned.
You're supposed to focus on the medals, epaulettes, sashes and so on. :mrgreen:
He took over a whole country! That's got to be worth a few medals.

I do wonder what the star of David was awarded for, though.

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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by redunderthebed » Thu May 31, 2012 6:38 am

Warren Dew wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:I have to point out Qadafi did take control through a military coup, though, so his uniform wearing is arguably legitimate.
Coito ergo sum wrote:(d) in any specially designed military outfit, replete with dozens of medals and awards which you never earned.
You're supposed to focus on the medals, epaulettes, sashes and so on. :mrgreen:
He took over a whole country! That's got to be worth a few medals.

I do wonder what the star of David was awarded for, though.
:whisper: If you are refering to stalin it isn't a star of david its a red star or derivatives of thereof.
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Re: Dictatorship 101

Post by Svartalf » Thu May 31, 2012 7:04 am

Hermit wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:I have to point out Qadafi did take control through a military coup, though, so his uniform wearing is arguably legitimate.
Coito ergo sum wrote:(d) in any specially designed military outfit, replete with dozens of medals and awards which you never earned.
You're supposed to focus on the medals, epaulettes, sashes and so on. :mrgreen:
and gagaffi never went beyond colonel, and that dress is NOT a colonel's uniform.
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