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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 29, 2012 7:54 pm

Hence my caveat.
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Post by John_fi_Skye » Tue May 29, 2012 7:58 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Hence my caveat.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue May 29, 2012 8:06 pm

Whatever they are, they certainly raise an eyebrow or two when a carrier group sidles up alongside one country or another....

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 29, 2012 8:13 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Whatever they are, they certainly raise an eyebrow or two when a carrier group sidles up alongside one country or another....
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Tue May 29, 2012 8:35 pm

mistermack wrote:My prediction is aircraft-carrying subs. Just big enough to carry one or two jets with vertical takeoff.

Can't imagine why nobody's thought of it.
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Post by Hermit » Tue May 29, 2012 9:01 pm

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Hermit wrote:The start of each new war is fought with the technologies and tactics of the previous one.
Not really... In the 100 Year War, Philippe de Valois had initial success at Crécy because (or so the English claim) he used a newfangled weapon called the bombard, whose noise and smoke spooked the English horse... Then again, later in the war the English won total victories through use of older, but more efficient and reliable tactics and equipment (the longbow)
Similarly, in 1870, the Prussian fielded a rifle, the Dreyse, which was fairly untested in war, and the French were confident that they'd win easily thanks to their newer and better Chassepot rifle.
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Hermit wrote:The start of each new war is fought with the technologies and tactics of the previous one.
Barring interim advances, yeah.
Seems like Gawdzilla has already pointed that aspect of warfare out.

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Post by MrJonno » Tue May 29, 2012 9:10 pm

Aren't you going to need a really big aircraft to carry a submarine?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 29, 2012 9:11 pm

Lovely trivia about machine guns in WWI. The Germans could put one bullet in every linear foot of line, every second. Do the math.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 29, 2012 9:12 pm

MrJonno wrote:Aren't you going to need a really big aircraft to carry a submarine?
The current "insertion" subs can be carried by C-130s. The Hercules can land on a carrier if necessary.

So, no.
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Post by klr » Tue May 29, 2012 9:13 pm

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mistermack wrote:My prediction is aircraft-carrying subs. Just big enough to carry one or two jets with vertical takeoff.

Can't imagine why nobody's thought of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400_class_submarine
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Post by Audley Strange » Tue May 29, 2012 9:14 pm

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 29, 2012 9:15 pm

klr wrote:
Thumpalumpacus wrote:
mistermack wrote:My prediction is aircraft-carrying subs. Just big enough to carry one or two jets with vertical takeoff.

Can't imagine why nobody's thought of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400_class_submarine
:tup: That, and the Surcouf.

They didn't work at the time though. :zilla:
The first launch of a missile from a submarine was a V-1 from the deck of a surfaced USN diesel sub. Long way from the current cruise missiles.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 29, 2012 9:16 pm

Audley Strange wrote:I predict the future of warfare is giant semi-organic Mecha each which houses a dysfunctional 14 year old Japanese child who control them from within.
Bender's Game.
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Post by Hermit » Tue May 29, 2012 9:20 pm

Audley Strange wrote:I predict the future of warfare is giant semi-organic Mecha each which houses a dysfunctional 14 year old Japanese child who control them from within.
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Post by Audley Strange » Tue May 29, 2012 9:26 pm

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Audley Strange wrote:I predict the future of warfare is giant semi-organic Mecha each which houses a dysfunctional 14 year old Japanese child who control them from within.
Bender's Game.
Nah, the plot of NGE and several other ridiculous manga and anime.
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