Convincing People that Guns Are Bad, M'Kay.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:48 pm

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Before late 18th century, in England there was a system of sheriffs, reeves, and investigative "juries", but these were nothing like police forces we have today. Most of "policing" under the British systems was done by private watchmen, and watchmen at town gates. In England, it wasn't until the mid-1700s that the King started funding anything like a police force.
Before the 18th century in general there was very little that could be recognised as a country at all, all you really had was local fiefdoms (with their own military/police/milita) with a very loose localty to some central leadership usually a king or equivalent (much like Afghanistan today).
Plenty of countries...

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Post by MrJonno » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:46 pm

It's not that these countries didnt exist but before the invention of modern communications that idea that central authorities had much say over day to day life in a country just didnt happen. It physically wasnt possible for any king or government to impose their will when it could take several days (or weeks) to get a command over
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:47 pm

...which is why there weren't police forces until very recently, in historical terms.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:48 pm

MrJonno wrote:It's not that these countries didnt exist but before the invention of modern communications that idea that central authorities had much say over day to day life in a country just didnt happen. It physically wasnt possible for any king or government to impose their will when it could take several days (or weeks) to get a command over
Rome seemed to do very well. :dunno:
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Re: Convincing People that Guns Are Bad, M'Kay.

Post by Gallstones » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:10 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
MrJonno wrote:It's not that these countries didnt exist but before the invention of modern communications that idea that central authorities had much say over day to day life in a country just didnt happen. It physically wasnt possible for any king or government to impose their will when it could take several days (or weeks) to get a command over
Rome seemed to do very well. :dunno:
As did Genghis Khan.
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MrJonno wrote:It's not that these countries didnt exist but before the invention of modern communications that idea that central authorities had much say over day to day life in a country just didnt happen. It physically wasnt possible for any king or government to impose their will when it could take several days (or weeks) to get a command over
Rome seemed to do very well. :dunno:
As did Genghis Khan.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:26 pm

Without cops, either...

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:28 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Without cops, either...
Really?
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:43 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:Without cops, either...
Really?
Can't find a Wiki entry for 12th century Mongolian Police.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:44 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Coito ergo sum wrote:Without cops, either...
Really?
Can't find a Wiki entry for 12th century Mongolian Police.
So far you've missed the point that the armed folks did more than one job. Why is that?
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Post by MrJonno » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:45 pm

From the font of all knowledge, there have been police or police forces around for a long time, they just didnt exist at a national level when in fact nothing did

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police
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Post by mistermack » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:38 am

So they want to brainwash the American people into accepting that guns are bad?

Someone ought to tell them, you can't brainwash the brainless.
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Post by Tyrannical » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:57 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:If bullets were taken off the market I could get more within half an hours, as many as I could carry. And they'd be made by guys who expect to use them to defend against hordes of starving city folks WTSHTF, so they'd be good quality.
And, if there ever is that big disaster those folks are preparing for, they will be proven correct. The city folk who were ripping them before will be demanding that the country-folk not be selfish, and hand over necessaries to the city-folk. 'course...the really big guns and tanks and stuff will be in the hands of the army which will be controlled by the city folk, so the country folk will discover that they're fucked again in any case.
Or so the city folk thought, until they realized who made up the army :hehe:
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Re: Convincing People that Guns Are Bad, M'Kay.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:18 am

Tyrannical wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:If bullets were taken off the market I could get more within half an hours, as many as I could carry. And they'd be made by guys who expect to use them to defend against hordes of starving city folks WTSHTF, so they'd be good quality.
And, if there ever is that big disaster those folks are preparing for, they will be proven correct. The city folk who were ripping them before will be demanding that the country-folk not be selfish, and hand over necessaries to the city-folk. 'course...the really big guns and tanks and stuff will be in the hands of the army which will be controlled by the city folk, so the country folk will discover that they're fucked again in any case.
Or so the city folk thought, until they realized who made up the army :hehe:
Three young men once shot 5,000 squirrels in two day, using muzzle-loading guns. (I don't know how many people they had loading their long guns, btw.) Country boys are dangerous people to piss off.
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Re: Convincing People that Guns Are Bad, M'Kay.

Post by mistermack » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:39 am

Gawdzilla wrote: Three young men once shot 5,000 squirrels in two day, using muzzle-loading guns. (I don't know how many people they had loading their long guns, btw.) Country boys are dangerous people to piss off.
They are, if you're a squirrel.
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