Sean Penn is an idiot

[Coito ergo sum]

And Sean Penn is wrong because...?

Because the Falklands have been a British territory long before the national inception of the Argentine state. The islands are sovereign, and they're entitled to self-determination. They are British, and they want to stay that way. It was 'colonised' by the British, yes, but it's been almost two centuries. There are no 'indigenous' Falk-landers, and no Argentinian has any claim to the land let alone the Argentine government.

Hong Kong was a barren rock when it was ceded to the UK. By your logic it should have stayed with us When it was 'handed back' it looked like this.

It was a barren rock that belonged to China.

The Falklands never belonged to Argentina, and therefore it cannot be "handed BACK" Argentina. It can only be handed "over" to Argentina.

[Coito ergo sum]

For a shirt lifter you are very right wing Lozzer.

I'm not right wing. It just so happens that the 3,000 habitants of the islands are British, and a foreign nation wants volition over them when they have no right, whatsoever.

You think that would bother our guvmint if there weren't oil and gas all over the shop down there?

How does that create a right in Argentina to take over the Falklands?

And there is nothing wrong with oil exploration and drilling. We need oil. It's vital to maintenance of civilization.

[FBM]

We have always been at war with Argentina.

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[maiforpeace]

He's an actor...

Why do people get so worked up about what actors and comedians say...get worked up about what your politicians say.

[Coito ergo sum]

He's an actor...

Why do people get so worked up about what actors and comedians say...get worked up about what your politicians say.

Because many people believe as he does, and many people's ignorance of history get skewed by this kind of nonsense.

The idea that Argentina has some prior right to the Falkland Islands is ludicrous in the extreme. Argentina is the aggressor here. In the 1980s, it was a military dictatorship which invaded a British territory, and yet there were plenty of Sean Penns running around trumpeting how the Brits were in the wrong and colonialist, etc.

The Argentinians are trying to colonize -- annex -- the Falklands. They have no right to do so.

It would be one thing if the people that live there were interested in leaving the UK and joining up with Argentina. But, that is not the case.

[Coito ergo sum]

We have always been at war with Argentina.

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The only problem with that, however, is that Argentina is the aggressor in this situation.

[Svartalf]

People wouldn't make that mistake if you'd just placed it a little closer to Europe.

That's the beauty of maps, you just draw lines on them and put colors, regardless of geographic reality... I mean, you'd believe that Gibraltar would be a Spanish town, and that Ceuta and Melilla were in Morocco wouldn't you?

[FBM]

We have always been at war with Argentina.

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The only problem with that, however, is that Argentina is the aggressor in this situation.

[Svartalf]

And Sean Penn is wrong because...?

Because the Falklands have been a British territory long before the national inception of the Argentine state. The islands are sovereign, and they're entitled to self-determination. They are British, and they want to stay that way. It was 'colonised' by the British, yes, but it's been almost two centuries. There are no 'indigenous' Falk-landers, and no Argentinian has any claim to the land let alone the Argentine government.

Hong Kong was a barren rock when it was ceded to the UK. By your logic it should have stayed with us When it was 'handed back' it looked like this.

Well, it was always supposed to be like a development lease... of course, somebody crapped his/her pants when they decided to recognize PRC as the legitimate heir to the Chinese Empire that had signed that lease, and entitled to regain control of the place.

[FBM]

People wouldn't make that mistake if you'd just placed it a little closer to Europe.

That's the beauty of maps, you just draw lines on them and put colors, regardless of geographic reality... I mean, you'd believe that Gibraltar would be a Spanish town, and that Ceuta and Melilla were in Morocco wouldn't you?

Guam, Puerto Rico...

[Svartalf]

The Brits need the Falklands for strategic sheep research.

Which is why it's mostly Welsh and Aberdeener scientists that are sent there?

[Svartalf]

He's an actor...

Why do people get so worked up about what actors and comedians say...get worked up about what your politicians say.

Because morons ought to keep their trap shut.
He's paid to open it in front of a camera (or from behind when he's directing)
not to say stupid things about politics and pollute my media landscape.

[Svartalf]

People wouldn't make that mistake if you'd just placed it a little closer to Europe.

That's the beauty of maps, you just draw lines on them and put colors, regardless of geographic reality... I mean, you'd believe that Gibraltar would be a Spanish town, and that Ceuta and Melilla were in Morocco wouldn't you?

Guam, Puerto Rico...

Are close to what much larger state that could have pretensions?
Nope, those can be US or independant if they want, but they don't seem to want.

[amused]

The Brits need the Falklands for strategic sheep research.

Which is why it's mostly Welsh and Aberdeener scientists that are sent there?

[Jesus_of_Nazareth]

Argentina has a much claim over Hong Kong as it does over the Falkland Islands.

We gave HK back to the Chinese because there were a billion of 'em. and most of them had guns. and they would have come over the border (a short walk).