Catholic Church v Obama over mandatory health insurance
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Re: Catholic Church v Obama over mandatory health insurance
Should Obama make an exception for the Church? Why?
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Re: Catholic Church v Obama over mandatory health insurance
Don't know - depends, I think, on what the justification for providing free contraceptives is in the first place. They're not requiring free Viagra, or free antibiotics, or free chemotherapy, so what makes contraceptives so special?
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Many, many employers prefer that their female employees not fall preggers on them... even devoutly or institutionally Catholic ones. Plus, it helps prevent scandals if young girls will be blondes.
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Can't say for sure, but probably something political along the lines of giving women the right to choose what happens to their body. The other drugs you mentioned aren't trivial, but they're maybe less politically significant.laklak wrote:Don't know - depends, I think, on what the justification for providing free contraceptives is in the first place. They're not requiring free Viagra, or free antibiotics, or free chemotherapy, so what makes contraceptives so special?
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
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Re: Catholic Church v Obama over mandatory health insurance
Thank fuck for AIDs ehSvartalf wrote:Contraception and abortion are one of the biggest reasons we are losing to the brown people who make three or five kids for every one we have.JimC wrote:They would be a lot more realistic if they dropped the absurdity of opposing contraception in general,; retaining an opposition to abortion is at a different level...
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I rectum compromise is in the air:
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/10/polit ... ?hpt=hp_t3
He may even get a few Cat-hole-lick votes out of this move.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/10/polit ... ?hpt=hp_t3
Obama announces contraception compromiseBy Alan Silverleib, CNNWashington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama announced a compromise Friday in the dispute over whether to require full contraception insurance coverage for female employees at religiously affiliated institutions.
February 11, 2012 -- Updated 0146 GMT (0946 HKT)
Under the new plan, religiously affiliated universities and hospitals will not be forced to offer contraception coverage to their employees. Insurers will be required, however, to offer complete coverage free of charge to any women who work at such institutions.
He may even get a few Cat-hole-lick votes out of this move.
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Wait, only women get free contraceptives under Obama's plan? He really doesn't like cost effective solutions, does he?FBM wrote:Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama announced a compromise Friday in the dispute over whether to require full contraception insurance coverage for female employees at religiously affiliated institutions.
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I thought male contraceptives were still either experimental or very expensive.
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Re: Catholic Church v Obama over mandatory health insurance
It's the spoils system applied to morality. Under Obamacare, Obama has free reign to impose his own morals on all the people that didn't vote for him.laklak wrote:Don't know - depends, I think, on what the justification for providing free contraceptives is in the first place. They're not requiring free Viagra, or free antibiotics, or free chemotherapy, so what makes contraceptives so special?
Except when it threatens his grip on power, it seems.
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I'm pretty sure there's a lot of data showing condoms are effective and inexpensive.FBM wrote:I thought male contraceptives were still either experimental or very expensive.
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I think lawmakers in general impose their morality on their entire constituency.
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And that's a good reason to give government as little power as possible.FBM wrote:I think lawmakers in general impose their morality on their entire constituency.
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Warren Dew wrote:I'm pretty sure there's a lot of data showing condoms are effective and inexpensive.FBM wrote:I thought male contraceptives were still either experimental or very expensive.
Yes. Somehow I forgot about those things. Are they not already free at free clinics?"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
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No argument from me there.Warren Dew wrote:And that's a good reason to give government as little power as possible.FBM wrote:I think lawmakers in general impose their morality on their entire constituency.
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
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Based on a little web searching, Planned Parenthood appears to charge for condoms just like they do for birth control pills and abortion procedures:FBM wrote:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/heartl ... -29905.htm
They used to waive the fees for abortions for people who couldn't afford it. Perhaps they do that for condoms and the pill too, though there are a lot fewer people who can't afford those.
The real elephant in the room, though, is that Obamacare essentially prohibits coverage of abortions for new health insurance policies starting in 2014 - another example of the politicians imposing their own morality. That's the fundamental problem with Obamacare - it puts medical decisions in the hands of politicians, instead of in the hands of individuals and their doctors.
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