Catholic Church v Obama over mandatory health insurance

[FBM]

Should Obama make an exception for the Church? Why?

[laklak]

Don't know - depends, I think, on what the justification for providing free contraceptives is in the first place. They're not requiring free Viagra, or free antibiotics, or free chemotherapy, so what makes contraceptives so special?

[Svartalf]

Many, many employers prefer that their female employees not fall preggers on them... even devoutly or institutionally Catholic ones. Plus, it helps prevent scandals if young girls will be blondes.

[FBM]

Don't know - depends, I think, on what the justification for providing free contraceptives is in the first place. They're not requiring free Viagra, or free antibiotics, or free chemotherapy, so what makes contraceptives so special?

Can't say for sure, but probably something political along the lines of giving women the right to choose what happens to their body. The other drugs you mentioned aren't trivial, but they're maybe less politically significant.

[Azathoth]

They would be a lot more realistic if they dropped the absurdity of opposing contraception in general,; retaining an opposition to abortion is at a different level...

Contraception and abortion are one of the biggest reasons we are losing to the brown people who make three or five kids for every one we have.

Inconvenient it may be, but it's strategically sound.

Thank fuck for AIDs eh

[FBM]

I rectum compromise is in the air:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/10/polit ... ?hpt=hp_t3

Obama announces contraception compromiseBy Alan Silverleib, CNN
February 11, 2012 -- Updated 0146 GMT (0946 HKT)

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama announced a compromise Friday in the dispute over whether to require full contraception insurance coverage for female employees at religiously affiliated institutions.

Under the new plan, religiously affiliated universities and hospitals will not be forced to offer contraception coverage to their employees. Insurers will be required, however, to offer complete coverage free of charge to any women who work at such institutions.

He may even get a few Cat-hole-lick votes out of this move.

[Warren Dew]

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama announced a compromise Friday in the dispute over whether to require full contraception insurance coverage for female employees at religiously affiliated institutions.

Wait, only women get free contraceptives under Obama's plan? He really doesn't like cost effective solutions, does he?

[FBM]

I thought male contraceptives were still either experimental or very expensive.

[Warren Dew]

Don't know - depends, I think, on what the justification for providing free contraceptives is in the first place. They're not requiring free Viagra, or free antibiotics, or free chemotherapy, so what makes contraceptives so special?

It's the spoils system applied to morality. Under Obamacare, Obama has free reign to impose his own morals on all the people that didn't vote for him.

Except when it threatens his grip on power, it seems.

[Warren Dew]

I thought male contraceptives were still either experimental or very expensive.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of data showing condoms are effective and inexpensive.

[FBM]

I think lawmakers in general impose their morality on their entire constituency.

[Warren Dew]

I think lawmakers in general impose their morality on their entire constituency.

And that's a good reason to give government as little power as possible.

[FBM]

I thought male contraceptives were still either experimental or very expensive.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of data showing condoms are effective and inexpensive.

Yes. Somehow I forgot about those things. Are they not already free at free clinics?

[FBM]

I think lawmakers in general impose their morality on their entire constituency.

And that's a good reason to give government as little power as possible.

No argument from me there.

[Warren Dew]

Yes. Somehow I forgot about those things. Are they not already free at free clinics?

Based on a little web searching, Planned Parenthood appears to charge for condoms just like they do for birth control pills and abortion procedures:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/heartl ... -29905.htm

They used to waive the fees for abortions for people who couldn't afford it. Perhaps they do that for condoms and the pill too, though there are a lot fewer people who can't afford those.

The real elephant in the room, though, is that Obamacare essentially prohibits coverage of abortions for new health insurance policies starting in 2014 - another example of the politicians imposing their own morality. That's the fundamental problem with Obamacare - it puts medical decisions in the hands of politicians, instead of in the hands of individuals and their doctors.