US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Thumpalumpacus » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:15 am

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Liar. I didn't write that.
Apparently you're so slow ridicule needs to be pointed out?
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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Seth » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:29 am

Thumpalumpacus wrote:
Seth wrote:
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Seth wrote:Once atheist, regardless of how one gets there, one becomes evil worthy of destruction by those who defend freedom.
Liar. I didn't write that.
Apparently you're so slow ridicule needs to be pointed out?
No, I'm merely pointing out that you deliberately and maliciously misquoted me by manufacturing words I did not write and then passed them off as a direct quote.

That's a reprehensible and disgusting thing to do by any civilized standard, and in professional journalism, academia, or business you would be fired for it. And, you might be sued for libel as well.

You may consider it ridicule, I consider it a malicious personal attack so I called you what you are: a liar. The fact that you cannot formulate your own arguments and rebuttals, and must resort to revising other people's words also indicates a serious lack of morals and intellectual ability.

Now THAT'S ridicule.
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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Thumpalumpacus » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:43 am

You're pretty touchy there, Slick.
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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Seth » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:51 am

Thumpalumpacus wrote:You're pretty touchy there, Slick.
And you're still a liar.
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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Thumpalumpacus » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:29 am

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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Ronja » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:33 am

Seth wrote: (some huffing and puffing deleted) ... in professional journalism, academia, or business you would be fired for it. And, you might be sued for libel as well. ...
Newsflash: this is an Internet discussion forum. :bored: Not professional anything, nor academia, nor business. An Internet discussion forum: a community with its established culture and traditions, also regarding humor. Maybe you should write that down, a few times, so reality could start sinking in?

And a very small Internet forum it is, too. I doubt there is a lawyer born yet who would give a rodent's hind quarters about one word changed in one quote in one post, on a forum with around 120 active members, tucked away in some obscure corner of the web.
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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Robert_S » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:07 am

Since there is the original post directly before and Seth's response directly below and since all of that is on the same page, I don't see it as a major issue.

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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:51 pm

Seth wrote:
Thumpalumpacus wrote:
Seth wrote:
Thumpalumpacus wrote:
Seth wrote:Once atheist, regardless of how one gets there, one becomes evil worthy of destruction by those who defend freedom.
Liar. I didn't write that.
Apparently you're so slow ridicule needs to be pointed out?
No, I'm merely pointing out that you deliberately and maliciously misquoted me by manufacturing words I did not write and then passed them off as a direct quote.

That's a reprehensible and disgusting thing to do by any civilized standard, and in professional journalism, academia, or business you would be fired for it. And, you might be sued for libel as well.

You may consider it ridicule, I consider it a malicious personal attack so I called you what you are: a liar. The fact that you cannot formulate your own arguments and rebuttals, and must resort to revising other people's words also indicates a serious lack of morals and intellectual ability.

Now THAT'S ridicule.
It would be a pretty weak case of libel. Libel isn't just misquoting. You'd have to prove that a person published a defamatory statement, which was false when made, which caused you injury and damages. A mere misquote isn't enough. And, if the evidence were to show that a reasonable person wouldn't have taken it seriously, or that it wouldn't effect a reasonable person's opinion of you, then you'd have no case.

You haven't suffered any injury significant enough to warrant pursuing it, even assuming you could prove liability.

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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Ian » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:43 pm

Some recent news related to this topic:

Saudi Arabia Threatens to Go Nuclear "Within Weeks" if Iran Tests A-Bomb (London Times)
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/worl ... 315479.ece

US Officials Claim Israeli Intelligence is Supporting Iranian Dissident/Terror Group in Targeting Nuclear Scientists (NBC)
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... l-nbc-news

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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:19 pm

Ian wrote:Some recent news related to this topic:

Saudi Arabia Threatens to Go Nuclear "Within Weeks" if Iran Tests A-Bomb (London Times)
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/worl ... 315479.ece

US Officials Claim Israeli Intelligence is Supporting Iranian Dissident/Terror Group in Targeting Nuclear Scientists (NBC)
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... l-nbc-news
It's like the run up to WW1 with nukes around that major oil producing region isn't it? :smoke:
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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Ian » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:22 pm

Crumple wrote:
Ian wrote:Some recent news related to this topic:

Saudi Arabia Threatens to Go Nuclear "Within Weeks" if Iran Tests A-Bomb (London Times)
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/worl ... 315479.ece

US Officials Claim Israeli Intelligence is Supporting Iranian Dissident/Terror Group in Targeting Nuclear Scientists (NBC)
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... l-nbc-news
It's like the run up to WW1 with nukes around that major oil producing region isn't it? :smoke:
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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by MiM » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:52 pm

Ian, the first link requires a subscription. Is there any substance behind that claim?
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Re: US intelligence agencies lying about Iran?

Post by Ian » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:05 pm

MiM wrote:Ian, the first link requires a subscription. Is there any substance behind that claim?
It's not out of the realm of possibility. But Saudi Arabia said that they'd buy warheads in short order after Iran goes nuclear, with their own indiginous program to follow. I don't know if anyone, even Pakistan, is going to be especially eager to sell to them.

Another link: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... weapons-if

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Post by Seth » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:12 pm

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It would be a pretty weak case of libel. Libel isn't just misquoting. You'd have to prove that a person published a defamatory statement, which was false when made, which caused you injury and damages. A mere misquote isn't enough. And, if the evidence were to show that a reasonable person wouldn't have taken it seriously, or that it wouldn't effect a reasonable person's opinion of you, then you'd have no case.

You haven't suffered any injury significant enough to warrant pursuing it, even assuming you could prove liability.
Of course. I was merely pointing out that falsely attributing something to someone can be libel.
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