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Re: Has Obama totally fucking lost the plot?

Post by Seth » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:04 pm

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Ian wrote:The few people who actually think that are the same as those who honestly thought Bush was a fascist. They don't matter. Much like those who honestly think Obama is a Marxist also don't matter (are you reading this, Seth?)
Well, let's see, Obama was the child of Marxists, he was raised by Marxists, many of his influential adults were Marxists, his friends are Marxists, his acquaintances are Marxists...so, if it walks like a Marxist, and quacks like a Marxist, I don't think it's unreasonable to call him a Marxist...and a progressive...however closeted his Marxist ideology may be at the moment.
So much bullshit in so few words. You are sad fucker if you believe that any president of your country has ever been a Marxist or a socialist. If you believe in what you post you have been brainwashed from an early age. Sad fucker.
I didn't say he was a very GOOD or very EFFECTIVE Marxist, but there's little doubt he's a Marxist at heart, you delusional bugger:
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Re: Has Obama totally fucking lost the plot?

Post by Schneibster » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:14 am

Ian wrote:The few people who actually think that are the same as those who honestly thought Bush was a fascist. They don't matter. Much like those who honestly think Obama is a Marxist also don't matter (are you reading this, Seth?)
Wingnuts all. Wanna see some left wingnuts? Go check out AlterNet or Jane Hamsher's site, FireDogLake. Those are left wingnuts. They tolerate no deviation from the party line.

Reagan wasn't jebus.
Bush wasn't jebus.
Obama ain't jebus.
None of them is the devil, either, though Reagan and Bush were the two most irresponsible Presidents since Herbert Hoover (he for whom the vacuum cleaner, that device of maximum suckage, is named).

Most people don't actually know what fascists are. They think they're right wing. Real fascists were centrists.
Ian wrote:Nevertheless, there are some legitimate concerns about the process for detainees at Gitmo, and people are still concerned about them. As a personal anecdote, I can't talk to my cousin in Norway without him bringing up Gitmo as proof that the US has turned back the clock on human rights. I think it's hyperbole, but the kernel of truth (in this case, a kernel of concern) is not totally unfounded. It's entirely possible for somebody innocent to be apprehended and sent there for a long period of time without proof of wrongdoing, and there have been some cases along those lines.
And as a result Obama is threatening a veto if that provision is in the final legislation. Despite claims that it's the "Obama plan," made for example on this forum last night. And refuted by yours truly. He doesn't want to create more problem inmates. This should always have been processed through the criminal justice system. There's nothing stopping us applying our laws to acts that involve our citizens. No matter who commits them. Worked fine for Al Capone.
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Post by Warren Dew » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:36 am

Schneibster wrote:And as a result Obama is threatening a veto if that provision is in the final legislation.
He's threatening a veto because he wants the FBI to be able to hold people indefinitely without trial, and not just the military.

Honestly, if Obama had objections to holding people without trial, Guantanamo would have been closed long ago.

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Re: Has Obama totally fucking lost the plot?

Post by Schneibster » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:48 am

Are you hoping that even though Ian knows about Congress stopping him, I don't?

Sorry. Not gonna work.
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Post by Warren Dew » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:05 am

You mean where Congress stopped Obama's plan to move Gitmo to Illinois, while still keeping prisoners in indefinite custody without trial? Sorry, but imprisonment without trial is imprisonment without trial, whether it's in Cuba or in Illinois.

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Re: Has Obama totally fucking lost the plot?

Post by Schneibster » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:39 am

Warren Dew wrote:You mean where Congress stopped Obama's plan to move Gitmo to Illinois, while still keeping prisoners in indefinite custody without trial? Sorry, but imprisonment without trial is imprisonment without trial, whether it's in Cuba or in Illinois.
Except it costs more taxpayer dollars in Cuba.

How many little kids do you suppose we could feed with the difference?

Just sayin'.
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Post by Warren Dew » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:53 am

And for more information on Obama's position, see the C-SPAN video of senate debate at 4:43:29, where Levin notes that the bill originally excluded American citizens and legal residents from the indefinite detention provisions, and that exclusion was removed at the request of the Obama administration:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SenateSession4951

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Post by Hermit » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:43 am

Seth wrote:Obama was the child of Marxists, he was raised by Marxists, many of his influential adults were Marxists, his friends are Marxists, his acquaintances are Marxists...so, if it walks like a Marxist, and quacks like a Marxist, I don't think it's unreasonable to call him a Marxist...and a progressive...however closeted his Marxist ideology may be at the moment.
Except he neither walks nor quacks like a Marxist. Marxists nationalise privately owned means of production. Obama extends tax cuts to the owners of the means of production.
Seth wrote:I didn't say he was a very GOOD or very EFFECTIVE Marxist, but there's little doubt he's a Marxist at heart, you delusional bugger:
"I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

"Political discussions, the kind at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union" - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)
Obama was talking of his college days. He left them behind 30 years ago. I went to catholic Sunday school in my youth. Ten years after I left those days behind I was not only no longer a catholic, I was an atheist. People can and do change their fundamental points of view, you know?
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Re: Has Obama totally fucking lost the plot?

Post by Schneibster » Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:01 pm

Warren Dew wrote:And for more information on Obama's position, see the C-SPAN video of senate debate at 4:43:29, where Levin notes that the bill originally excluded American citizens and legal residents from the indefinite detention provisions, and that exclusion was removed at the request of the Obama administration:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SenateSession4951
And for more Warrenworld "Muslim communist Obama positions," watch anyone but Obama.
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Schneibster wrote:And for more Warrenworld "Muslim communist Obama positions," watch anyone but Obama.
What, you think progressive Democrats like Levin are liars? Even when they actually have the previous version of the bill to back them up?

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Post by Warren Dew » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:07 pm

Seraph wrote:Except he neither walks nor quacks like a Marxist. Marxists nationalise privately owned means of production. Obama extends tax cuts to the owners of the means of production.
True - his flavor of socialism is more national socialist than communist.

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Seraph wrote:
Seth wrote:Obama was the child of Marxists, he was raised by Marxists, many of his influential adults were Marxists, his friends are Marxists, his acquaintances are Marxists...so, if it walks like a Marxist, and quacks like a Marxist, I don't think it's unreasonable to call him a Marxist...and a progressive...however closeted his Marxist ideology may be at the moment.
Except he neither walks nor quacks like a Marxist. Marxists nationalise privately owned means of production. Obama extends tax cuts to the owners of the means of production.
He's in a very tough position. He wants desperately to be a Marxist and a Progressive, but he's discovered that he miscalculated the tenor of the public towards his "change we can believe in" campaign message. He's discovered to his dismay that the presidency, while a bully pulpit, does not actually have the unlimited power that he thought it did, and that his plans for America and it's march towards socialism have gone badly awry because of that pesky notion called the Separation of Powers.

He was outed as Marxist early on by people like Glenn Beck and others who actually researched his life and his political leanings, and as a consequence he's had to abandon much of his Marxist agenda and conceal his true beliefs and agenda because he doesn't have the power to bring them to fruition, much to his chagrin.

He's a Marxist, and a Progressive, but he's also a narcissistic pathological liar who likes being President and wants a second term, where, as a lame-duck President, he will turn the screws as much as possible. He has grand plans for his second term, including destroying the 2nd Amendment, which is a Marxist Progressive precursor to the next steps in imposing tyranny.

So he's being pragmatic and realistic and is waffling and flip-flopping in order to get to his second term by lying and being duplicitous and attempting to hoodwink the credulous among the public.
Seth wrote:I didn't say he was a very GOOD or very EFFECTIVE Marxist, but there's little doubt he's a Marxist at heart, you delusional bugger:
"I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

"Political discussions, the kind at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union" - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)
Obama was talking of his college days. He left them behind 30 years ago.
Like hell he did. He signed Obamacare, which was a bald-faced attempt to take central control of one-sixth of the US economy and take a long, long stride towards socialism. If Obamacare withstands Supreme Court scrutiny, it will consolidate a Marxist Progressive principle of absolutely unlimited federal control over the economy and our lives, and it will require an amendment of the Constitution's Commerce Clause powers to rectify.
I went to catholic Sunday school in my youth. Ten years after I left those days behind I was not only no longer a catholic, I was an atheist. People can and do change their fundamental points of view, you know?
True, but irrelevant because Obama hasn't changed his fundamental point of view, he's just concealing it from the voters in an attempt to get elected for a second term, in which he will do everything he can to destroy our Republic and bring on socialism. That's why he must be prevented from being reelected.
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Re: Has Obama totally fucking lost the plot?

Post by Schneibster » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:25 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
Schneibster wrote:And for more Warrenworld "Muslim communist Obama positions," watch anyone but Obama.
What, you think progressive Democrats like Levin are liars? Even when they actually have the previous version of the bill to back them up?
No, Warren, I know perfectly well that when I go look, he won't have said what you claim, or it will have been cherry-picked, or there will be a pretty good reason for them having done it that you've ignored, or something.

There always is.

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Re: Has Obama totally fucking lost the plot?

Post by Pensioner » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:28 pm

Seth wrote:
Seraph wrote:
Seth wrote:Obama was the child of Marxists, he was raised by Marxists, many of his influential adults were Marxists, his friends are Marxists, his acquaintances are Marxists...so, if it walks like a Marxist, and quacks like a Marxist, I don't think it's unreasonable to call him a Marxist...and a progressive...however closeted his Marxist ideology may be at the moment.
Except he neither walks nor quacks like a Marxist. Marxists nationalise privately owned means of production. Obama extends tax cuts to the owners of the means of production.
He's in a very tough position. He wants desperately to be a Marxist and a Progressive, but he's discovered that he miscalculated the tenor of the public towards his "change we can believe in" campaign message. He's discovered to his dismay that the presidency, while a bully pulpit, does not actually have the unlimited power that he thought it did, and that his plans for America and it's march towards socialism have gone badly awry because of that pesky notion called the Separation of Powers.

He was outed as Marxist early on by people like Glenn Beck and others who actually researched his life and his political leanings, and as a consequence he's had to abandon much of his Marxist agenda and conceal his true beliefs and agenda because he doesn't have the power to bring them to fruition, much to his chagrin.

He's a Marxist, and a Progressive, but he's also a narcissistic pathological liar who likes being President and wants a second term, where, as a lame-duck President, he will turn the screws as much as possible. He has grand plans for his second term, including destroying the 2nd Amendment, which is a Marxist Progressive precursor to the next steps in imposing tyranny.

So he's being pragmatic and realistic and is waffling and flip-flopping in order to get to his second term by lying and being duplicitous and attempting to hoodwink the credulous among the public.
Seth wrote:I didn't say he was a very GOOD or very EFFECTIVE Marxist, but there's little doubt he's a Marxist at heart, you delusional bugger:
"I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

"Political discussions, the kind at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union" - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)
Obama was talking of his college days. He left them behind 30 years ago.
Like hell he did. He signed Obamacare, which was a bald-faced attempt to take central control of one-sixth of the US economy and take a long, long stride towards socialism. If Obamacare withstands Supreme Court scrutiny, it will consolidate a Marxist Progressive principle of absolutely unlimited federal control over the economy and our lives, and it will require an amendment of the Constitution's Commerce Clause powers to rectify.
I went to catholic Sunday school in my youth. Ten years after I left those days behind I was not only no longer a catholic, I was an atheist. People can and do change their fundamental points of view, you know?
True, but irrelevant because Obama hasn't changed his fundamental point of view, he's just concealing it from the voters in an attempt to get elected for a second term, in which he will do everything he can to destroy our Republic and bring on socialism. That's why he must be prevented from being reelected.
Fooking hell that's one of your best posts yet. :funny:
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Re: Has Obama totally fucking lost the plot?

Post by amused » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:52 pm

Seth wrote:He has grand plans for his second term, including destroying the 2nd Amendment, which is a Marxist Progressive precursor to the next steps in imposing tyranny.
A president can't single-handedly change the US constitution. You know that.

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