Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street


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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by Kr » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:29 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ir-scenery

Read this in Friday's paper. Kind of sums up my views on what the occupy movement will achieve if they don't change something.

"the squatters of London and New York can grab a headline and illustrate a story, but then what? With no leaders, no policies, no programme beyond opposition to status quo, they must just sink into the urban background"

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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by Audley Strange » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:45 pm

Bah! I was hoping this would be a youtube video of illiterate house slave thugs knocking the fuck out of peaceful liberal self righteous student types with badly spelt signs.
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Post by Robert_S » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:46 pm

Ian posted this elsewhere on the forum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15246205
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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by Audley Strange » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:52 pm

I'm actually surprised that someone from the anti-defamation league hasn't claimed that when these protesters say "bankers" they mean "jews". Still I do expect an escalation of absurdity soon enough.
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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by PsychoSerenity » Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:03 pm

Robert_S wrote:Ian posted this elsewhere on the forum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15246205
I got 8 out of 9 on that, so if they've purposely taken the quotes that they consider to be hardest to tell apart, then I imagine with a more random selection of quotes, or if actually talking to someone rather than being presented with out of context quotes to identify, it would be incredibly easy to tell the two apart.
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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by Ian » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:02 pm

I'd say the Occupy Wall St. movement has already succeeded. They've created and maintained a national and worldwide discussion on economic inequality, a discussion that wasn't really happening two months ago. They're there first and foremost to call attention to economic injustice; if any policy changes actually result from all the noise, they will come down the road.

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Post by Schneibster » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:08 pm

Ian wrote:I'd say the Occupy Wall St. movement has already succeeded.
I agree. They'll need to keep doing it for the next year or so to keep succeeding, I'd say.
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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by Rob » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:10 pm

Ian wrote:I'd say the Occupy Wall St. movement has already succeeded. They've created and maintained a national and worldwide discussion on economic inequality, a discussion that wasn't really happening two months ago. They're there first and foremost to call attention to economic injustice; if any policy changes actually result from all the noise, they will come down the road.
This. I am sympathetic to the movement but I do have to say though, some of those accusations are blind. I am anything but republican in most of my beliefs on poltiics but I don't agree that not having leaders is a positive. Additionally I do not equate the tea party with fascism. That would be idiotic as equating obama with socialism. -.-
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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by Schneibster » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:16 pm

The teagaggers have a very strong racist component. Also, they are corporatist, which springs from their Kochsuching roots, where all their funding comes from.

I wouldn't hesitate to label corporatist racists as "fascistic."

If you're not aware of their racism or corporatism, I can provide pretty much irrefutable evidence of both.

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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by MattShizzle » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:36 pm

The teabaggers are very extreme right wing - ie fascists. Obama is moderate at best. Wish he was Socialist.

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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by Schneibster » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:51 pm

Fascists aren't extreme right. They're centrists, economically. They pursued socialist-style programs, but with corporations rather than raw government like, say, the Soviet Union. The problem is that they're authoritarian racists.

And, of course, so are the teagaggers.
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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by Warren Dew » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:41 am

Considering I got an email from Freedomworks encouraging me to help "occupy Wall Street" three days before it started, I think the idea that the Tea Party and the Occupy Wall Street movements are distinct is somewhat suspect.

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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by Schneibster » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:26 am

I saw a black helicopter yesterday.
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Re: Tea Party vs Occupy Wall Street

Post by JimC » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:28 am

Extremes in politics always tend towards making fantastical, absolutist statements that bare little resemblance to anything that can be realistically achieved, and will suffer any means, as long as the end is achieved...

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