9/11: a conspiracy?
9/11: a conspiracy?
I don't buy into the typical North American conspiracy theories about the atrocities that occurred on 9/11 2001, but there's several conspicuous matters which raise my eye brows.
*The Pentagon was hit by an airliner, and the event was documented by both the Pentagon's CCTV and that of a small business in the area. Both videos of the footage clearly show an explosion, but neither show a plane hitting the building. I've always been convinced that it was down to how slowly the CCTV recorded the frames the impact, but the Pentagon's footage has the fastest pace of recording.
*I'm remember when the investigation into the terrorist attack began to show vital evidence pointing to the apparent perpetrators nine years ago. By some miracle a passport was found of one of the terrorists at Ground Zero. This clearly indicated the identity of one of the individuals, but how did it manage to survive intact and conveniently place itself near the rubble of the towers? I'm not sure if anyone else remembers this being reported, but I haven't heard anything of it since.
*The Pentagon was hit by an airliner, and the event was documented by both the Pentagon's CCTV and that of a small business in the area. Both videos of the footage clearly show an explosion, but neither show a plane hitting the building. I've always been convinced that it was down to how slowly the CCTV recorded the frames the impact, but the Pentagon's footage has the fastest pace of recording.
*I'm remember when the investigation into the terrorist attack began to show vital evidence pointing to the apparent perpetrators nine years ago. By some miracle a passport was found of one of the terrorists at Ground Zero. This clearly indicated the identity of one of the individuals, but how did it manage to survive intact and conveniently place itself near the rubble of the towers? I'm not sure if anyone else remembers this being reported, but I haven't heard anything of it since.
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
I don't remember anything about a passport being found, but there was so much stuff being reported that I could have just forgotten.
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And I flow, just like a brook, a stream, the rain
And I fly, just like a bird up in the sky
And I'll surely die, just like a flower plucked
And dragged away and thrown away
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
I just did a quick google search, and while there was no links to news websites, my memory serves me well:Twoflower wrote:I don't remember anything about a passport being found, but there was so much stuff being reported that I could have just forgotten.
That's from a conspiracy theory website, but it shows I'm not just imaging itOne day after 9/11 the perfectly unscathed passport of Satam Al Suqami, one of the alleged 19 hijackers, was found several blocks from Ground Zero, even though its next to impossible such a flimsy item escaped the towering inferno unblemished.

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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.
As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
Gawdzilla wrote:The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.
As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
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I'm wild just like a rock, a stone, a tree
And I'm free, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I flow, just like a brook, a stream, the rain
And I fly, just like a bird up in the sky
And I'll surely die, just like a flower plucked
And dragged away and thrown away
And then one day it turns to clay
It blows away, it finds a ray, it finds its way
And there it lays until the rain and sun
Then I breathe, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I grow, just like a baby breastfeeding
And it's beautiful, that's life

And I'm free, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I flow, just like a brook, a stream, the rain
And I fly, just like a bird up in the sky
And I'll surely die, just like a flower plucked
And dragged away and thrown away
And then one day it turns to clay
It blows away, it finds a ray, it finds its way
And there it lays until the rain and sun
Then I breathe, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I grow, just like a baby breastfeeding
And it's beautiful, that's life

Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
Should have gone to Specsavers.Gawdzilla wrote:The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.
As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
We had a nice chat, until the Looey complained that I was freaking him out. (Win.Twoflower wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.
As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
1.I know, I said that.Gawdzilla wrote:The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.
As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
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2. There's decapitated heads wearing glasses, and then there's paper surviving the inferno of an explosive impact.
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
There should be a movie about your life.Gawdzilla wrote:We had a nice chat, until the Looey complained that I was freaking him out. (Win.Twoflower wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.
As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
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I'm wild just like a rock, a stone, a tree
And I'm free, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I flow, just like a brook, a stream, the rain
And I fly, just like a bird up in the sky
And I'll surely die, just like a flower plucked
And dragged away and thrown away
And then one day it turns to clay
It blows away, it finds a ray, it finds its way
And there it lays until the rain and sun
Then I breathe, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I grow, just like a baby breastfeeding
And it's beautiful, that's life

And I'm free, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I flow, just like a brook, a stream, the rain
And I fly, just like a bird up in the sky
And I'll surely die, just like a flower plucked
And dragged away and thrown away
And then one day it turns to clay
It blows away, it finds a ray, it finds its way
And there it lays until the rain and sun
Then I breathe, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I grow, just like a baby breastfeeding
And it's beautiful, that's life

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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
Yeah, but nobody reads what you write.Lozzer wrote:1.I know, I said that.
Yeah? Try it. The passport could have been blown clear inside a pocket and then fell out of it. Not hard at all.2. There's decapitated heads wearing glasses, and then there's paper surviving the inferno of an explosive impact.
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
I was there and I don't believe most of it.Twoflower wrote:There should be a movie about your life.

Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
Except the colliding plane and all of its passengers were incinerated at the point of hitting the building?Gawdzilla wrote:Yeah, but nobody reads what you write.Lozzer wrote:1.I know, I said that.Yeah? Try it. The passport could have been blown clear inside a pocket and then fell out of it. Not hard at all.2. There's decapitated heads wearing glasses, and then there's paper surviving the inferno of an explosive impact.
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
Every single bit of it? Without exception? No unburned debris anywhere, at all, none?Lozzer wrote:Except the colliding plane and all of its passengers were incinerated at the point of hitting the building?Gawdzilla wrote:Yeah, but nobody reads what you write.Lozzer wrote:1.I know, I said that.Yeah? Try it. The passport could have been blown clear inside a pocket and then fell out of it. Not hard at all.2. There's decapitated heads wearing glasses, and then there's paper surviving the inferno of an explosive impact.
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?
Of course there was a conspiracy. A bunch of Muslim extremists developed a massive, pretty complex, yet simple and basic plan to fly planes into high profile symbols of American power. The hint is in the word 'conspiracy'!
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And as with Japan, there are people who refuse to believe "those people" could do this. Many of them are the people who curse "the government" when it rains, or their soda goes flat.Rum wrote:Of course there was a conspiracy. A bunch of Muslim extremists developed a massive, pretty complex, yet simple and basic plan to fly planes into high profile symbols of American power. The hint is in the word 'conspiracy'!
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